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Fed Admits Failure of ‘Plan A’ to Control Money Market Rates, Shifts Back to Repos ...
WolfStreet.com ^ | 20 September 2019 | Wolf Richter

Posted on 09/20/2019 11:35:56 PM PDT by Yosemitest

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To: Toddsterpatriot
That works out to a 4.7% increase per year.

Yeah, you're right, forgot about about "compounding". My only point is that "CPI" appears to always be a couple % too low. And the last time I saw a "wages vs inflation rate/value of a dollar" long-term chart, wages were 3-5% behind. And "next to zero" CD & MM rates aren't helping. You'll probably say "equities", but at my age I have reasons to reduce my stock holdings. "Lending Club" is doing OK for me (5.5% over 4 years or so), but unsecured/risky...like you are a credit card issuer.

81 posted on 09/21/2019 5:15:48 PM PDT by Drago
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To: Drago

Start a bank.


82 posted on 09/21/2019 6:47:05 PM PDT by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: Yosemitest; jdsteel

“The Fed made the Great Depression WORSE”

And your proof for that claim is what, exactly?


83 posted on 09/21/2019 6:50:30 PM PDT by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: Yosemitest; Toddsterpatriot

“... the Fed should stay out of it. The free economy, left to its own reactions, will solve the problems quickly.”

Of course that’s exactly what the Fed did do in the 1930s, as Friedman and Schwartz documented extensively in their massive “A Monetary History of the U.S.”.

The 1930s Fed failed to act at all. It sat immobile and did nothing as a cascading series of bank failures destroyed fully 30% of America’s banks and money supply.

So your recommended solution was tried, not by overt design, but because the rudderless 1930 Fed didn’t know what it should do. And the American banking system, free from Fed intervention, went into a self reinforcing destructive spiral that lasted a decade and took the real economy down with it. The biggest and longest deflation in American history.

Bernanke, having learned from Friedman and Schwartz’s excellent study, did exactly the opposite of the 1930’s Fed and massively intervened to prevent a deflationary collapse. That’s what TARP, QE, and ZIRP were all about. And it worked.


84 posted on 09/21/2019 7:20:37 PM PDT by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: Pelham
WRONG !
Where did you get your education, from the Communists ?

They kept trying to prop up all those failing banks.
The Federal Reserve's SCREW-UP are well documented in the article Debunking Myths of the Great Depression.
85 posted on 09/21/2019 9:09:49 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Pelham

So what does your own ilk think should replace the Fed as lender of last resort?

The impossible....a sound fiscal policy with balanced budgets and not giving away every penny to special interests, illegals, refugees, fraudulent disability claims, fraudulent health care claims via Medicaid/Medicare, by Congress which isn’t possible, so I guess I’ve answered my own question/changed my own mind. Given the fact that someone like Waters would be one of those members of Congress that are charged with creating such policies.


86 posted on 09/21/2019 9:45:19 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Yosemitest

Silver is still a bargain compared to gold.


87 posted on 09/22/2019 12:36:13 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (The politicized state destroys aspects of civil society, human kindness and private charity.)
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To: Yosemitest

It’s widely understood that the money supply was tightened (see my previous post) when it should have been loosened at the beginning of the Great Depression, but to blame the length and severity of that downturn on that is ridiculous.

The blame lies squarely on FDR, our first Socialist President, and a Democrat supermajority in Congress. The “New Deal” was a disaster.

You made my point. You hate the Fed for stuff it didn’t do.


88 posted on 09/22/2019 4:27:58 AM PDT by jdsteel (Americans are Dreamers too!!!)
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To: Pelham

Uh no every dollar that enters circulation comes with debt. A private bank called the Federal Reserve creates our currency and lends it to us at interest. We borrow our currency from them. In order to get more dollars to pay that interest we borrow more dollars into circulation. We print the paper but we don’t create the currency.

You cannot repay debt with debt. Only equity can repay debt. Trump understands this. He wants dollars created at zero interest. This is why you don’t hear him squawk about raising the debt ceiling. He understands that govt spending isn’t really what created $25 trillion in debt and that cutting govt spending will not repay our debt.

IMO Trump plans to wait until after the election and then make his move on the Fed. The easiest way with the least pain would be to simply cut the Fed out of the loop by instructing the Treasury department to issue is own debt instrument which is already legal to do and create dollars at zero or negative rates and use those dollars to pay off the debt. It would be disruptive for the banking sector but not crash the whole economy. After 2020 I would not want to have money in the big four banks.

Due to fracking the petro dollar is dying. We will not be the reserve currency of the world much longer. That is the only thing keeping us afloat. Trump understands this. Why do you think his first state trip was to Saudi Arabia?

Right now Trump is doing what he can by attacking Powell and forcing him to cut rates which puts more dollars into circulation. Trump needs those dollars to fuel his industrial resurgence. Without Trump’s constant drumbeat Powell would have kept rates up and happily let the economy hit the rocks for the 2020 election. The Feds raised rates 8 times after Trumps election. Recessions don’t just happen. The Federal Reserve creates them.


89 posted on 09/22/2019 8:30:02 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
A private bank called the Federal Reserve creates our currency and lends it to us at interest. We borrow our currency from them.

You're wrong. No one borrows FRNs from the Fed. Not even you.

90 posted on 09/22/2019 9:01:25 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

The average American has no understanding of our monetary system. 30 years in the banking and mortgage industry and I only began to understand it the past few years. But you know who does understand it? Every member of Congress. They know that under our current system the debt cannot be repaid. The only path forward is to raise the debt ceiling and continue to borrow. Thats why they don’t bother with passing a budget anymore. Its pointless. They just use CR’s en lieu of a budget.

The only objective of the Federal Reserve is to transfer wealth from the people to the banks and corporations.


91 posted on 09/22/2019 9:12:08 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
The only objective of the Federal Reserve is to transfer wealth from the people to the banks and corporations.

Where's Andrew Jackson when we need him?

"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter, I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves."

92 posted on 09/22/2019 9:14:02 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

So true! When the Federal Reserve tells you that they are looking at a target of 2% inflation what they are really announcing is their projected profits.


93 posted on 09/22/2019 9:17:35 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
They know that under our current system the debt cannot be repaid.

That would be the case with or without the Fed.

You never explained how much you're charged for your FRNs or where you mail your check.

94 posted on 09/22/2019 9:23:22 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (TANSTAAFL)
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To: jdsteel
WRONG !
Read Comment #85.
95 posted on 09/22/2019 9:34:50 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Again the US Treasury could issue their own reserve notes at zero interest which eventually would pay off the FRNs.

I urge you to go to YouTube and watch Bill Still videos which are easy to understand and will tell you in about ten minutes exactly how the Federal Reserve system operates.


96 posted on 09/22/2019 9:58:55 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Again the US Treasury could issue their own reserve notes at zero interest

How are US Notes that I don't pay interest on better than FRNs that I don't pay interest on?

I urge you to go to YouTube and watch Bill Still videos

I've seen many of his videos.

Why don't you explain how much interest you pay on your FRNs?

97 posted on 09/22/2019 10:30:35 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (TANSTAAFL)
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To: jdsteel
PROOF #2 that the Federal Reserve IS RESPONSIBLE FOR CAUSING the Great Depression:

Also listen to the first hour from (00:08:00 thru 0 0:44:30, and 00:48:00 thru 00:53:15 ) of :
98 posted on 09/22/2019 11:30:53 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Well said !


99 posted on 09/22/2019 11:34:57 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's SIMPLE ! ... Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

You are asking the wrong questions which tells me you did not understand what Stills was saying.

Simply put debt cannot be repaid with debt. It has to be repaid with equity. Dollars created at zero interest carry no debt.


100 posted on 09/22/2019 1:35:25 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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