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Trump's Speech: Strong Denunciation of White Supremacy, Sensible Proposal on 'Red Flag' Laws
Townhall.com ^ | August 5, 2019 | Guy Benson

Posted on 08/06/2019 8:56:30 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 08/06/2019 8:56:30 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I’ve heard of 4chan. What is 8chan?


2 posted on 08/06/2019 8:57:55 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We're living in Dr. Zhivago but without the love triangle)
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To: Kaslin

Easy to denounce “white supremacy,” until you have to define what that means.


3 posted on 08/06/2019 8:59:17 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (adical Islam,)
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To: Kaslin

This is a backdoor for a national registry and confiscation.


4 posted on 08/06/2019 9:02:40 AM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Kaslin
No citizen should be deprived of their rights without FIRST being granted a hearing. Red Flag laws violate the concept of innocent until proven guilty.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

5 posted on 08/06/2019 9:03:00 AM PDT by taxcontrol (Stupid should hurt - dad's wisdom)
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To: Kaslin
Americans are still reeling from a bloody and horrible weekend, during which two young white males perpetrated appallingly lethal mass shootings on consecutive days

Why don't Americans "reel" from 7 murders a week in Chicago, and more in Baltimore? For all the hysteria over El Paso -- that is just 3 weekends worth of death in Chicago every single summer. Is that because every single on of those murders are by "young black males" -- and they're, what...expected by liberal and RINO racists?

6 posted on 08/06/2019 9:04:07 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Kaslin

OK, I’m just thinking out loud here, so please just hear me out without judging. I’m not sharing my opinion, just a thought exercise.

I just did some research on 8chan and they seem to have online gaming roots but are also extremely right wing. What it renimds me of is the whole MGTOW movement. I did some research on it a while back and my impression is that they are the male equivalent of fourth wave feminism. That is, just as these feminists are angry misandrists, these men are angry misogynists. The difference being that the women show their anger by protesting, yelling and screaming, remaining in “groups” for the same reason women tend to go to the ladies room together. They are more communal than men.

And these 8chan guys are the male equivalent. Except men in that mindset are physically dangerous and go the “loner” route. Fortunately, they are much more rare, but they can be extremely dangerous.

Now, one can argue that society did it to them, etc., but the bottom line is that it is worth considering that they are the male equivalent of the man hating feminists, but acting out as an angry, out of control man would, rather than how an angry, out of control woman would.

Again, I’m only posting this for discussion, not as my opinion of what is going on.


7 posted on 08/06/2019 9:04:14 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We're living in Dr. Zhivago but without the love triangle)
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To: Kaslin

The Left knows what will happen if they go for confiscation.

This “Red Flag” lie is just a smoke screen for incremental confiscation.


8 posted on 08/06/2019 9:04:36 AM PDT by The Toll
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To: Kaslin

No sir - it is NOT sensible.

No further laws on gun control are needed - as all guns were purchased legally by legal citizens and no parents or family intervened.


9 posted on 08/06/2019 9:04:47 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: Kaslin

What they always fail to tell you about red flag laws, interestingly enough, is that cops can flag you too, not just relatives, etc.

What we really need is constitutional carry.

I can forgive Trump’s inability to deal w/immigration as the RINO congress is against him, and his failure to control spending like with the shutdown, since he didn’t campaign on that so I knew it going in.

Even the bumpstock bit I could forgive given his many more positives.

But if he does this forget it. I don’t vote for gun grabbers. If no other palatable person is in the running, I abstain.


10 posted on 08/06/2019 9:04:48 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: cuban leaf

Oh BS - have you happened to look at the daily kos? How about Reddit’s political forum or chappotraphouse?

8chan was and is nothing of the sort but please continue perpetuating the propaganda.


11 posted on 08/06/2019 9:06:15 AM PDT by Skywise
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To: Skywise

It came out in court documents that the FBI posts there as agent provocateurs.


12 posted on 08/06/2019 9:07:34 AM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Skywise

I have no idea what you are talking about.

To perpetuate the conversation (which is why I posted that), I would include daily kos and Reddit folks. I’m not talking about 8chan specifically. I’m talking about the mindset. It can happen anywhere - but apparently is banned at 4Chan. So yes, thrown Daily Kos and Reddit into the pile if you want.


13 posted on 08/06/2019 9:09:48 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We're living in Dr. Zhivago but without the love triangle)
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To: cuban leaf

dude ... try breaking the pills in half ...


14 posted on 08/06/2019 9:09:54 AM PDT by bankwalker (Immigration without assimilation is an invasion.)
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To: fruser1
But if he does this forget it. I don’t vote for gun grabbers. If no other palatable person is in the running, I abstain.

I agree with you, and I mentioned the same thing - and various Freepers told me I was stupid and naive - and that its obvious Trump is yet again playing 4D chess with leftists, and co-opting their position to ultimately grind down any initiative they have on the issue.

I'm always willing to admit being wrong, but I hope to see some proof.

15 posted on 08/06/2019 9:11:07 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: bankwalker

At least your response was funny. :)

I wish folks would take my first sentences seriously. I think a serious conversation about the main point of my post is worth having. Seriously. And the main point is “male equivalent of angry feminists”, and how they are different from the females. Can it be used to short circuit future events?

You can’t find out if you’re not willing to even discuss it.


16 posted on 08/06/2019 9:12:06 AM PDT by cuban leaf (We're living in Dr. Zhivago but without the love triangle)
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To: Kaslin
Moreover, the requirement that the order come from people close to the respondent and that they come forward with real evidence (e.g. sworn statements, screenshots of social-media posts, copies of journal entries) minimizes the chance of bad-faith claims.

These will work just as well as the FISA courts in 2016 when localized political and ideological (or just plain bureaucratic stupidity) gets involved.

17 posted on 08/06/2019 9:14:38 AM PDT by PGR88
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With paid informants it’s the Wild West. All the police state agencies do this. It’s hard to find out who these people are because their identities are protected by the secret police.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/04/fbi-informant-crimes-report/2613305/


18 posted on 08/06/2019 9:15:09 AM PDT by grumpygresh
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To: cuban leaf
there's nothing to find out ...

it an open forum ... a computer software platform ..

anyone can post there ... even FBI folks posing as whatever suits them ...

do you really think that all of the posters on those (mostly) unmoderated forums think alike?

19 posted on 08/06/2019 9:17:48 AM PDT by bankwalker (Immigration without assimilation is an invasion.)
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To: cuban leaf
my impression is that they are the male equivalent of fourth wave feminism. That is, just as these feminists are angry misandrists, these men are angry misogynists.

Perhaps - but being an angry feminist in America today will get you fame on TV and movies, it will get you top political positions, or the ability to influence government at the highest levels, and earn you all kinds of money in the form of media promotions, book deals, or government and academic grants.

What does the male side of that equation get? Shunning to corners of the web and extreme institutional hate.

20 posted on 08/06/2019 9:19:16 AM PDT by PGR88
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