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In Money We Trust?
Townhall.com ^ | May 22, 2019 | John Stossel

Posted on 05/22/2019 2:57:48 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 05/22/2019 2:57:48 AM PDT by Kaslin
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One basic problem with gold/silver currency for governments is that the wealth becomes detached from any national government or its policies; crossing borders with those metals makes you wealthy in any country.


2 posted on 05/22/2019 3:05:00 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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With hundreds of trillions in unfunded liabilities, and trillions more in undisciplined spending, our government is taxing using the “back door” of inflation and currency devaluation.

Until we can spend only what we tax our dollars will be worth less tomorrow than they are today.

Tie the dollar back to gold. It will be painful, more than taking the parents credit card back from the teenager, but it is necessary.


3 posted on 05/22/2019 3:20:28 AM PDT by Wildbill22 ( They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton William Abrams)
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To: kearnyirish2

One major problem with gold and silver as money is today is too easy to fake.

People buy that ‘gold’ from ‘Rosland Capital’, pay someone else to store it, and when they go to sell it find out that some is fake.

Good luck getting the people hawking the ‘gold’ to stand behind the product.


4 posted on 05/22/2019 3:23:02 AM PDT by Beagle8U (It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you place the blame.)
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I'm with you, John.

You can send all your worthless $20's and $50's to me. I'll dispose of them for you.

5 posted on 05/22/2019 3:27:16 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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Our money has no inherent value...only what we ascribe to it.
That goes for dollars, rials, euros, pesos, any money at all.

It has become how we can spend spend spend with no repercussions as along as people will continue to believe in their value. I do not know that it has to be “backed” by anything at all.
Cyber currencies such as bitcoin are extensions of that idea: they are simply imaginary based on following a set rituals based on nothing.
Maybe the Chinese have stumbled onto something: Money will mean nothing and your basic needs will be provided. Your wealth and value,though, will be your social rating score.
That will be true government control.


6 posted on 05/22/2019 3:31:57 AM PDT by Adder (Mr. Franklin: We are trying to get the Republic back!)
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Fake gold...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P1h6uXDACY


7 posted on 05/22/2019 3:34:36 AM PDT by Beagle8U (It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you place the blame.)
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Paper money is faked as well.

I’m not talking about carrying fake Chinese gold & silver bars around - I’m talking about using the money we used in the past, which contained gold & silver. When you cross a border, the person on the other side doesn’t care whose face is on the money, or what language - they only care about the content.

In a world where the US wants the most stable currency to be the US dollar, we’d lose that position if every country continued using the precious metals because it would be irrelevant who issued it.


8 posted on 05/22/2019 3:42:43 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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“I’m talking about using the money we used in the past, which contained gold & silver. When you cross a border, the person on the other side doesn’t care whose face is on the money, or what language - they only care about the content.”

The problem is that today people can in fact fake that gold so good that only a expert with lots of expensive equipment can tell the fakes from real gold coins.


9 posted on 05/22/2019 3:52:12 AM PDT by Beagle8U (It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you place the blame.)
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True, but the same problem persists with paper money. When the US changed the $100 years ago, I was in another country a couple of months later and they already wouldn’t accept them - too many fakes.

I don’t have all the answers, but I’d rather have the metal than a piece of paper.


10 posted on 05/22/2019 4:08:37 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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I would rather have the one that was backed by the US government because it is more trusted than gold that could be fake.


11 posted on 05/22/2019 4:14:39 AM PDT by Beagle8U (It's not whether you win or lose, it's how you place the blame.)
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“Gold is heavy - hard to carry around.”

Not this %%+&@ again.


12 posted on 05/22/2019 4:48:25 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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Money is data. It is mostly stored and processed in computers. Ultimately the data is information about energy use. A price is a summation of all energy consumed in producing something. If a government artificially prices something below the cost of energy needed to produce it, say health care, college, food, it creates a financial short circuit with runaway consumption ending in economic meltdown. It's why socialism doesn't work.

Do electric cars use less energy and therefore pollute less than gasoline cars? It's easy to determine. Add up the total cost of ownership. If it is more, they are using more energy. The same applies to solar, wind, hydro, natural gas, and nuclear energy.

Gold requires a stable amount of energy to find and mine from the Earth, which is why it can be used to indirectly store energy use data. That is all there is to know about money data stored as gold.

Handling government currency devaluation is easy: move out of the currency into something else such as land, stocks, energy ownership. Sometimes even better is owe money that can be paid back in the future with devalued currency.

God created all energy in this universe, from which everything we know of is made from. God is pure energy. So really it does all tie back to trusting in God.

13 posted on 05/22/2019 4:50:03 AM PDT by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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As a practical matter, the government doesn’t back the paper currency either.

If you get stuck with a fake $100 bill, nobody will reimburse you.

The currency is valuable in part because it is useful to pay taxes. As people borrow from banks, more currency is loaned into existence. It’s more complicated than that, but that’s kind of how it works.


14 posted on 05/22/2019 4:56:33 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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"Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men’s protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked, ‘Account overdrawn." -Francisco d'Anconia, Atlas Shrugged
15 posted on 05/22/2019 5:21:11 AM PDT by A_perfect_lady ( Political correctness forbids discussing any negative outcomes of Left-wing ideology. -PMcL)
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Those intricately printed paper bills are worth nothing in themselves. However, there is a good chance that you can exchange them for items of real value, and so that’s why we keep them.

But they lose value with time. Inflation is built into the currency system. My first job paid $1.65 an hour and an apartment was $25 a month. There is no way to avoid the loss of purchasing power. Government has built inflation into the system by printing more and more bills and “creating” more electronic money.


16 posted on 05/22/2019 5:26:52 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Islam, not a religion, a totalitarian political ideology aiming for world domination. -Wilders)
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To: kearnyirish2
One basic problem with gold/silver currency for governments is that the wealth becomes detached from any national government or its policies; crossing borders with those metals makes you wealthy in any country.

That doesn't strike me as a problem.

I'm as much in favor of the nation-state as anyone, but I don't think people should be hostage to a particular government's currency manipulation.

17 posted on 05/22/2019 5:40:51 AM PDT by BfloGuy ( Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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In God we trust. The rest pay cash.


18 posted on 05/22/2019 5:44:27 AM PDT by Phlap (REDNECK@LIBARTS.EDU)
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I’ve long believed that money — more accurately, wealth or capital — is a form of energy. As such, it must obey the laws of energy.


19 posted on 05/22/2019 5:46:15 AM PDT by IronJack
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