Posted on 05/08/2019 10:48:37 AM PDT by rktman
[and Harry is too dim]
That’s for sure. I was hoping his military experience would turn him around a bit.
This is a very strange way to put this.
Under current law: (per Wikipedia article Birthright citizenship in the United States:
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not a U.S. citizen or national, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has been "physically present"[20] in the U.S. before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.[21]the U.S. citizen parent has not been "physically present" for a total period of at least five years, then a U.S. citizen grandparent must have been "physically present" for at least five years.[22]
Meghan is 37, and lived her whole life in the USA until sometime into her relationship with the prince, which began in 2016, when she was 34.
The Fox hosts misstated the situation. The child is not eligible for dual citizenship, the child is an American citizen, by birthright, through her mother.
Now there are many here at Free Republic who will give you chapter and verse about how birthright citizenship and Natural Born Citizenship are not one-and-the-same.
And, the evidence supports their view that the Founders did not intend for them to be the same, and that courts did not view them as the same into the early 20th century.
But at this point we have the much more defacto counter-example of Obama's presidency. Obama (assuming the standard biography) also had a British father and an American mother. He was a citizen at birth, but did not meet the older, stricter "Natural Born Citizen" test that many believe he should have been held to.
This event essentially lowered the bar for other birthright citizens with foreign parents who want to be POTUS, of which there are now many, including: Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, Tulsi Gabbard, Kamala Harris, Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, etc.
So, under current law he a US Citizen at birth, and as such under the Obama precedent he will be considered eligible to be the POTUS. (Unless law or case law changes, which seems highly unlikely).
Perhaps he can be the person who brings our shattered colonial experiment back to safe harbor as part of the mother-nation? (/sarc)
I learn towards the “fake” pregnancy myself. That “bump” seemed to change size and shape every day.
I’m not sure the Supreme Court has ever been asked to rule on this. I know that it was decided that MCCain passed the “natural born” test because The Panama Canal Zone was a US protectorate at the time plus he was born at the US Naval Base Hospital. I don’t recall if the Cruz issue was ever decided. I think Obama has always maintained he was born in Hawaii although I’ve always been skeptical. Anyway, the odds of the new born prince ever making a run at POTUS are astronomical. Besides, it’s possible that the Brits may require that he renounce his US citizenship once he reaches age of majority if he wants to remain British royalty. Anyway,.....
Some babies grow in a peculiar way.
MAGA
So we can laugh at ourselves again!
I have a friend who in my parish choir who is in my parish adult choir, in a mixed marriage. She is African American and her husband is white. Both young adult daughters have both light brown skin color.
Congrats on the new marriage!
Read up on early American history, what they read as well and ask this question again.
Would the framers of the Constitution and founders of the country, have made up a different definition for who a "natural born Citizen" is than that which was defined in a legal treatise they kept and referenced during the drafting of the Constitution in 1787?
In other words, they would have agreed that a "natural born Citizen" was a citizen who was born with divided allegiances owed at birth? Especially someone in line for European royalty?
This is an easy question to answer.
Not in the context of the POTUS requirements, but there are some 19th century Federal court (not sure if they were Supreme Court, I think not) cases where the meaning of Natural Born citizen was part of the rulings.
I know that it was decided that MCCain passed the “natural born” test because The Panama Canal Zone was a US protectorate at the time plus he was born at the US Naval Base Hospital.
The Senate, of which he was a member at the time, passed a "sense of the Senate resolution" that said that he was a Natural Born Citizen even though he was born in the canal zone.
This was not binding, laws have to be passed by both houses and singed by the president. It was ceremonial.
John McCain's parents were married, and were both US Citizens, and yes the Canal Zone was a territorial possession of the USA at the time, so I always took this as a back-handed slap at those questioning Obama's qualificaiton as a Natural Born Citizen.
The idea of the Natural Born Citizen clause was that the POTUS (as the commander and chief) should, uniquely vs. all other offices, have no divided loyalty to any other country.
It was designed to prevent something just like the King of England running for President.
Obama was a dual citizen at birth. His father was a citizen of the British Empire (Kenya not being a separate independent nation in 1960). Obama inherited his father's citizenship at birth. Thus, in the opinion of many he was not a "Natural Born Citizen" with two American citizen parents, and no possible allegiance to anyone else.
As far as McCain goes: Since 1904 persons born int he Canal Zone of American citizens were considered American citizens themselves, explicitly. Here is the law.
So the action by the Senate was completely gratuitous. Even if he had been born in China at the time, both of his parents were US Citizens, so he was a citizen.
Here is an interesting question about that action: Was the Senate saying that if he had been born in China he WOULD NOT have been a Natural Born Citizen and therefore ineligible to run for POTUS?
That seems to be implied in the Sense of the Senate resolution.
Why wasn't there also a Sense of the Senate resolution for Obama, who was also a member at the time, and also had issues about his status as an NBC at birth (even if you accept his autobiographical details.)
Because: it was just another Chuck "the schmuck" Schumer half-clever little "f*ck you" to all the people who take our laws seriously in fly-over country.
I think Obama has always maintained he was born in Hawaii although I’ve always been skeptical.
Even granting that he was born in Hawaii: he is still a dual citizen because his father was not a US Citizen, but a British one. And dual citizenship holders becoming President is exactly what the NBC clause was put into the Constitution to prevent in the first place.
I have heard a lot of plausible stories about his birth that are different from the official one.
I always felt that the Media completely manipulated the issue to one of "Some people say that Obama was born in Kenya", which Team Obama could easily counter. They wanted the Natural Born Citizen question to be answered by "if Obama was born in Hawaii then he's eligible to run for Potus -- and what kind of "birther idiot" thinks he was born in Kenya, anyway.
That was fighting the battle on the ground they prepared, and the advocates were the least serious critics of Obama's eligibility.
Where they did not want to fight the battle was: What does Natural Born Citizen mean? If a court had to look into that and answer it then they would probably come up with part of it being "child of two American citizens without any dual citizenship claim".
And, by Obama's own biography he would not pass that criteria.
It is beyond pathetic that despite a dozen or so lawsuits on this issue no court would allow the case to be heard. We, mere serfs, did not "have standing" to note the obvious violation of our highest law and the usurpation of the highest office.
Anyway, the odds of the new born prince ever making a run at POTUS are astronomical.
I agree, he's not going to run for POTUS.
Besides, it’s possible that the Brits may require that he renounce his US citizenship once he reaches age of majority if he wants to remain British royalty. Anyway,.....
It's not a all clear that renouncing one's dual citizenship changes your NBC status. "Natural Born" has to do with your condition at the time of birth, not your actions in later life.
Cheers!
When she visited London back when she was a teen, she told her childhood friend she was going to be a princess. Noticed after said friend let that out of the bag, she wasn’t invited to the wedding. Not many outside of Hollyweird were invited for her side.
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