Posted on 04/03/2019 8:24:51 AM PDT by jazusamo
I am in favor of deporting illegal robots.
Ohhhh...illegal robocalls..never mind.:)
I have a Tracfone that is seldom used. Just for emergencies.
If robocalls are to randomly generated numbers, then why does my cell phone get zero robocalls while my landline gets half a dozen a day?
A Telco knows if they originated a call or not. A Telco (landline or cellular) knows that if a call being sent to one of their customers from someone outside of their network, but has the same area code and exchange prefix as their customer (neighbor spoofing), that the call is being spoofed.
I realize that with number portability this is harder now than it used to be, but throwing our collective hands up and saying nothing can be done isn't the answer, either.
Don’t see how this law will be enforceable. The people doing this are already committing fraud or theft in many cases and could be busted for that and aren’t. With internet based phone systems, you can pop up a robo scam and disappear it in an instant.
I’m don’t get any ring at all. Silence is bliss.
And how fast would that capability get disabled and locked down if using it to make a spoofed spam call resulted in the originator being hunted down and blocked from the phone system?
What I'm saying is, that focusing on penalizing the telcos that allow spoofed Caller ID will result in them turning around and coming down hard on the originators.
“A Telco knows if they originated a call or not.“
But they don’t know from where. That’s my point.
And contrary to popular belief Telcos don’t have the capability to monitor the outbound caller ID of literally billions of calls per day. Believe me the packet overhead alone required to do it would slow every network in the country to a crawl not to mention the lack of processing power at the CO level.
I work for one and get paid to design them. Prior to that I designed both premise based and hosted VOIP systems.
It’s not possible. The technology to do so doesn’t even exist.
Period.
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And fining the phone carriers in amounts that greatly exceeds the spoofer revenue will put a stop to it real fast.
Excellent!
Then start enforcing the do not call list again.
And expand the do not call list to have options to decline sales calls, charitable calls, surveys and political calls.
“And how fast would that capability get disabled and locked down if using it to make a spoofed spam call resulted in the originator being hunted down and blocked from the phone system?“
See my other responses. How precisely would you do that? Even if you could somehow manage to block them from “the system”, which isn’t even one system at all but an extremely complex network of dozens of providers each accessing the public network from literally tens of thousands of COs and data centers, all they’d need to do is have back up lines from secondary providers. That, by the way, is considered an industry best practice, and has been for a couple of decades.
Switched networks can almost instantly detect if one connection is cut and switch to a secondary or tertiary network without even dropping the call.
Like I said I hate these people as much as anyone. Personally I think burning them at the stake in the public square is just about right. But, once again, Congress has no fricking clue about how things work out here in the Real World.
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Trouble is they won’t enforce it. Just like too loud of TV commercials.
Its going to work as well as the Do Not Call registry did, no doubt.
But what they DO have is the ability to discard the caller ID info in the call initiation, and replace it with "IP:" and the IP address, unless you pay to be whitelisted.
“But what they DO have is the ability to discard the caller ID info in the call initiation, and replace it with “IP:”
And you’re right back to the problem I already mentioned. ARIN issues IP addresses in bulk to providers. Those providers hand them out pretty much randomly. Now ARIN does, these days anyway, sort them by country. But they didn’t always do that.
So once the IP is at the provider level all bets are off.
And I’ll say it again. ALL calls are IP based these days. It’s the only way to handle the volume. It’s why IPv6 was introduced. Even IP addresses can be spoofed if you know what you’re doing. So there goes that idea.
I wish it were as easy as you think it is. I really do.
But, once again, it’s not possible.
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And we haven’t even tossed DHCP into the mix.
For instance the IP is hosted at some data center in Elk Grove Village IL, there are about a dozen there and more planned btw, but the PBX uses DHCP for the WAN.
The IP phones are physically located in a call center somewhere in Pakistan that all have 10. IP addresses. So “Agent Orange” from the “FBI” picks up the phone and dials granny in Bugtussle Arkansas to fleece her.
That call identifies as coming from Elk Grove to the Teclo. They have no fricking clue where it actually originated. None. Worse yet there’s no way they can find out because it’s behind a firewall.
I wish this were possible. But it simply isn’t. Holding the Telcos responsible is lunacy. They don’t know and they are unable to know.
That’s just how it is.
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“But what they DO have is the ability to discard the caller ID info in the call initiation, and replace it with “IP:”
Actually, they don’t. All the Telcos are doing is passing data through their networks as quickly as possible. That’s what their customers pay for. They don’t analyze each and every packet on their network. They can’t.
“Hey, Mr, Customer. I know you’re paying $8,000 a month for a 9 location gig network but we are going to slow that to a crawl so we can analyze every packet just to make sure you’re not being naughty. Please just sign here.”
No IT Director would ever agree to those terms.
But why let that stop Congress. God knows they legislate on thousands of things they know absolutely nothing about.
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They can monitor them closely enough to bill.
Believe me the packet overhead alone required to do it would slow every network in the country to a crawl not to mention the lack of processing power at the CO level.
The packet overhead is no more than it is for firewalls, or DNS servers, or just plain old routers. You don't need to sniff EVERY SINGLE PACKET, just the initial handshake that 'nails up' the call.
But you are right, it cannot be done today using only today's infrastructure. New technology needs to be implemented.
The FCC has already begun the process of mandating Caller ID authentication. Congress needs to codify it, and the penalties for subverting it, into law.
https://transnexus.com/whitepapers/understanding-stir-shaken/
Just like too loud of TV commercials.
Except for American Idol, which I watch live to participate on the forum AI thread. Even then, I am bowled over by the number of commercials they run. It must be exhausting to sit through this crap nightly.
“They can monitor them closely enough to bill.”
So? The only things that are billed per minute these days are international calls. Domestic, which includes all of North America including Canada, aren’t even metered anymore. And if the international call is on a private MPLS network so the outbound call hits the PSTN in the US it’s not even considered international.
So, nice try. Trust me. I’ve been doing this for over 20 years.
It’s
Not
Possible.
Period.
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