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Science and God
Townhall.com ^ | March 31, 2019 | Jerry Newcombe

Posted on 03/31/2019 6:07:02 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: onedoug

Easily proven with neuroscience.

Consciousness functions like radio stations and you can change channels.

Most people live their entire life in zero to 30 Hz range. By tuning consciousness into the gamma frequency it can easily go in the hundred Hz and far higher. This is how the mystics do what they do in all religions.


21 posted on 03/31/2019 7:55:09 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: PeterPrinciple

In the modern context you can interpret geometers and mathematicians as equivalent. In those days geometry was pretty much all the mathematics there was. I guess one could claim the Pythagoras did an early form of Number Theory. The 2nd Great Abstraction ha yet to occur.

A recognizable Algebra hadn’t quite come along yet -See Diophantus.

Analysis we’re along way from Newton & Leibnitz!


22 posted on 03/31/2019 7:58:26 AM PDT by Reily
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To: bert

As I understand it, a little faith is easy, and for many scientist, faith is very hard.


23 posted on 03/31/2019 7:59:56 AM PDT by aspasia
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To: tired&retired

Gamma frequency???

Higher then THz??


24 posted on 03/31/2019 8:03:02 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Kaslin
Although he is described as an agnostic, the AFP reports that Gleiser “refuses to write off the possibility of God's existence completely.”

Yep. Me too.

25 posted on 03/31/2019 8:17:12 AM PDT by null and void (If socialism is so grand, why are Guatemalans coming here instead of going to Venezuela?)
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To: bert
Faith is easy

Science is hard

My experience is exactly the opposite. *sigh*

26 posted on 03/31/2019 8:22:07 AM PDT by null and void (If socialism is so grand, why are Guatemalans coming here instead of going to Venezuela?)
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To: Reily

Gamma frequency???
Higher then THz??

Gamma frequency is typically recognized as 30 Hz to 250 Hz, with slight variations depending upon the source. These were not discovered until 1964 when digital EEG’s were utilized. The analog EEG’s only recorded to 25 Hz.

These gamma brain wave frequencies should not be confused with gamma waves that are at the upper end of the frequency spectrum with x-rays.

THz are in an overlap frequency between infra red and microwave. The have unique attributes and are used in spying. This is why our staff in the Cuban embassy had hearing and other problems. This is also the basis for the new Russian weapon that is a beam than makes people sick and dizzy on a ship 3 miles away.


27 posted on 03/31/2019 8:31:14 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Reily

Nope.

An accident of labeling, they had to call the various frequency bands that EEGs found something, so they labeled them with Greek letters.

0-4 Hz Delta,
4-8 Hz Theta,
8-12 Hz Alpha,
12-40 Hz Beta,
40-100 Hz Gamma

Note that they are labeled in order of discovery, not in order of ascending frequency. This happens when exploring new territory. For example, “The Midwest” is well east of the middle of the continental US.

We won’t talk about what happened to Epsilon, Zeta and Eta...


28 posted on 03/31/2019 8:51:28 AM PDT by null and void (If socialism is so grand, why are Guatemalans coming here instead of going to Venezuela?)
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To: tired&retired

...with slight variations depending upon the source...


29 posted on 03/31/2019 8:52:51 AM PDT by null and void (If socialism is so grand, why are Guatemalans coming here instead of going to Venezuela?)
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To: Kaslin

I agree with the scientist. I believe In God it’s just that power hungry humans developed religion and government to control the masses.


30 posted on 03/31/2019 8:56:28 AM PDT by Retvet (Retvet)
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To: Kaslin

Science doesn’t teach us right from wrong, and religion doesn’t teach us whether a bridge can hold the weight of a laden semi truck without collapsing.


31 posted on 03/31/2019 9:22:39 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy (;-)
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To: null and void

When you dig into the actual textbooks and journal articles you will find that the frequency ranges vary slightly. That’s why I qualified the statement above when I mentioned it.

Some articles actually confuse EKG frequencies with EEG frequencies.

In prayer I have jammed FM radio frequencies and they are in the mega Hz or million Hz .


32 posted on 03/31/2019 9:41:47 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: null and void

The human brain develops with the low frequencies in early childhood and the womb... The prefrontal cortex is las to develop fully at about age 25. This is critical thinking and analytical thinking.

The human brain must fully develop before it can move into the gamma frequency in prayer or meditation.

The gamma frequency involves a synchronization of the lower frequencies, especially the theta frequency. When this happens you begin to perceive directly with your consciousness rather than being restricted to your 5 senses. This is when conscious awareness moves beyond the physical body.


33 posted on 03/31/2019 9:50:11 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Kaslin
Dr. Richard Lewontin was a professor of evolutionary biology at Harvard, who often worked with Stephen Jay Gould. He said the following.

‘Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.

34 posted on 03/31/2019 9:54:01 AM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: Kaslin
Thomas Nagel is an atheist Professor of Philosophy and Law at New York University, and in recent years he wrote the book, Mind and Cosmos. He said that following.

"I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-informed people I know are religious believers. It isn't just that I don't believe in God and, naturally, I hope that I'm right in my belief. It's that I hope there is no God! I don't want there to be a God; I don't want the universe to be like that."

35 posted on 03/31/2019 9:59:24 AM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: IrishBrigade
keep telling yourself that, bud...

Very intelligent refutation! He's not a REAL scientist, unlike you...

36 posted on 03/31/2019 10:17:56 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: b4me
science and some religions ARE incompatible. Authors should be clearer. Religion is not just one view/belief. There are many many religions but only one God who did create the world and slowly is revealing to us what we call “science”.

Good point. For example the Book of Mormon claim that the Native American tribes are the 10 lost tribes of Israel has been refuted using genetic analysis.

What is not incompatible with science is, first of all, a belief in God. The agnostic scientist gave an excellent logical refutation of that notion. Also the Bible is not incompatible with science, since nothing in it has been disproven by actual science.

A direct consequence of what the scientist said is that ruling out the existence of God, as atheists do, is totally unscientific (based on a correct understanding of what science is). Any atheist is therefore unscientific in their thinking.

The logically baseless and in fact idiotic idea that believing in God is incompatible with science is necessary in order to label any dissent from evolution as "anti-science". Thus no matter how many problems and inconsistencies evolution theory has, it has to be scientific (and any dissent unscientific) and therefore true under this religion-science false dichotomy. It's an absurd way of playing with words to reach what is in fact an unscientific conclusion.

37 posted on 03/31/2019 10:58:18 AM PDT by lasereye
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To: null and void

Never worked with EEG signals so this is new to me.


38 posted on 03/31/2019 11:26:10 AM PDT by Reily
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To: DeweyCA

“Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. “

It is not difficult to understand religion from a materialistic scientific perspective if a person understands the change in perception of reality associated with a change in frequency of consciousness.

At higher frequencies of consciousness, consciousness itself is material and available to be perceived.


39 posted on 03/31/2019 11:31:24 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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To: Reily

“Never worked with EEG signals so this is new to me.”

EEGs merely measure the average action potential firing rates of the excitatory pyradimal neurons in various areas of the brain.


40 posted on 03/31/2019 11:33:48 AM PDT by tired&retired (Blessings)
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