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In America, talk turns to something unspoken for 150 years: Civil war
WAPO via LMTonline ^ | March 1st, 2019 | Greg Jaffe and Jenna Johnson

Posted on 03/01/2019 7:28:55 AM PST by Mariner

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To: Mariner

Indeed.

The devotees of St. Leupold of the Reticle are many.

(He is the patron saint of snipers.)


101 posted on 03/01/2019 12:55:15 PM PST by Ban Draoi Marbh Draoi ( Gen. 12:3: a warning to all anti-semites.)
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To: 10mm
That line is a blurry one. The English Civil War was also a revolution. Many people say the American Revolution was also a civil war.

If you were in Maryland or Kentucky or Missouri or some other places, the American Civil War was very much a civil war.

South Carolinians thought they were making a revolution in 1861, but when being revolutionary came to be seen as a bad thing, they started pushing "The War Between the States" with some holding out for "The War of Northern Aggression."

For the US government it was originally "The War of the Rebellion," but "The Civil War" came to be regarded as more neutral.

For me, there were enough brothers fighting brothers and families torn apart and enough real aggressiveness on both sides to justify calling it a civil war.

102 posted on 03/01/2019 1:42:35 PM PST by x
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To: schurmann

Ok, so it was US Army instead of US Navy which literally built the very ground which Ft Sumter stands on.

Doesn’t change my view that the Civil War started because South tried to take land which North owned by creation, not simply possession. “I made this” matters.


103 posted on 03/01/2019 2:02:53 PM PST by ctdonath2 (The Red Queen wasn't kidding.)
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To: GOPJ

I am in favor of setting up liberal cities as small nations like Lichtenstein, San Marino, Monaco, and others. Wall them in and let them live and rule themselves. They will not be able to control the major part of Americs.


104 posted on 03/01/2019 2:47:28 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: 2CAVTrooper
About 85-90% of the military is on our side for sure.

Antifarts are not into volunteering to fight for the fascists..........

Back in the involuntary draft days, this might have been a problem.

105 posted on 03/01/2019 2:52:16 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: allendale
They should really be concerned about sniper rifles.

With silencers.

106 posted on 03/01/2019 5:17:39 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke all mooselimb terrorists, today.)
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To: georgiarat

I’m interested if the UN sends in peacekeepers to confiscate guns. A job that Dems gladly hand over after federal agents get pulverized.


107 posted on 03/01/2019 5:22:46 PM PST by DownInFlames (Galsd)
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To: matthew fuller

Scalia Shooting,
Thanks.


108 posted on 03/02/2019 6:15:32 AM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: matthew fuller

Oops,
Scalise.


109 posted on 03/02/2019 6:19:31 AM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: ctdonath2

“...Doesn’t change my view that the Civil War started because South tried to take land which North owned by creation, not simply possession...” [ctdonath2, post 103]

Wrong again - both in detail and in concept. Let’s make it a trifecta and concede you are engaging in presentism.

Maj Anderson moved his command from Ft Moultrie to Ft Sumter, judging the latter more defensible. Only after did the leaders of South Carolina announce their state was leaving the Union.

After President Lincoln was officially inaugurated, he called for 75,000 volunteers in a bid to beef up the standing armed forces, with a view to intimidating the Confederate states into returning to the Union. Other War Dept and Navy Dept facilities in the South had already been seized by the states where they were located - or were being sized up for takeover.

The Federal government did not “own” such facilities, infrastructure, and real property - not in the same sense as is commonly understood today. South Carolinians and numerous other Southerners saw it as a provocation when the Union Navy was ordered to break the CSA blockade and resupply Ft Sumter.

The legal climate was quite different before 1865: States were sovereign national entities capable and justified in doing what the Confederacy attempted. Just because the Union subdued the CSA by force of arms doesn’t render the legal arguments about sovereignty less valid: it’s intellectually less than honest to insist we must all bow to the omnipotent Feds, just as it’s less than honest to assert that the CSA was equally wrong in 1861 for refusing to cave in.

Times change. Legal and moral theories change, despite the distress evinced by so many forum members. Pretending it’s all been perfectly understood, therefore the CSA was morally culpable for attempting to break away, is presentism.


110 posted on 03/02/2019 10:48:38 AM PST by schurmann
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To: georgiarat

It will fracture the military and any foreign entities supplying the leftists, will be ‘dealt’ with, later.


111 posted on 03/02/2019 5:47:18 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: elcid1970

There are 700,000 deer hunters in PA alone, and the numbers in MI, WI and OH are staggering. Like you said, much larger than all standing armies, combined.


112 posted on 03/02/2019 5:52:12 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: elcid1970

“Keep in mind that because many hunters participated in more than one type of hunting, the sum of all the hunters exceeds the total of 13.7 million hunters given above. It probably will come as no surprise that deer hunting is most popular with U.S. hunters, with 10.9 million participants.”

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&q=deer+hunters+in+us&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8


113 posted on 03/02/2019 5:55:02 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: elcid1970
在美国,每一片草叶背后都会有一支步枪 Zài měiguó, měi yīpiàn cǎo yè bèihòu dūhuì yǒuyī zhī bùqiāng
114 posted on 03/02/2019 5:56:58 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

We have 7 outdoor ranges and 3 FFL Stores here in the southern York County (PA) area, and I’ve never run into one of them, in the last 30yrs I’ve been here, owning/operating my own business.

Where are you?


115 posted on 03/02/2019 6:18:28 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: carriage_hill

To close to Kalifornia.


116 posted on 03/02/2019 6:31:39 PM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: GOPJ

Good idea, but will never happen.

They’re like muslims (SPIT!); infiltrating and taking over at all levels of local/state/fed gov’t, courts, police, academia, religion etc etc etc.

Most states are infested.


117 posted on 03/02/2019 6:46:26 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: ctdonath2

Wouldn’t work at all. That’s where we are now, and it’s getting progressively worse.

Their goal is SOCIALISM, FASCISM AND COMMUNISM.

SOCIALISM
You have 2 cows.
The State forces you to give one to your neighbor, shoots the neighbor and forces you
to milk them both, giving all milk back to the state.
The State gives you a cup of sour milk.

MARXISM
You have two cows.
The government takes both and shoots you.

COMMUNISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and gives you nothing.
They shoot your family and put you in a gulag.

DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both, promises more free cows, lets you vote and gives you sour milk.

FASCISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and sells you some milk.

NAZISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both and shoots your wife and kids.

CRONY CAPITALISM
You have two cows.
The State takes both, milks, slaughters them, and makes a tidy profit from the sale
of choice meat cuts and fresh milk.
You get some lousy hamburger and a jar of sour milk.

BUREAUCRATISM
You have 2 cows.
The State takes both, shoots one, milks the other, and then throws the milk away.

GUAMISM
You have two cows.
You never milk them, they just eat the grass, so you don’t have to mow the lawn.
You live on welfare and get food stamps, so you don’t need the milk. (H/T Fai Mao)

LBJ GREAT SOCIETISM
You have two cows.
The president realizes that neighbor wants their own cow, slaughters
your calf every year preventing you from having a cow to sell.
The president takes the slaughtered cow and turns it into hamburger,
has a cook-out so neighbor stops trying to own a cow themselves.
The neighbor spends next 50 years going to presidents cook out and
never gets his own cow. (H/T PCPOET7)

LAISSEZ-FAIRE CAPITALISM
You have two cows. So what? (H/T Celtic Conservative)

TRADITIONAL CAPITALISM
You have two cows.
You sell one and buy a bull.
Your herd multiplies, and the economy grows.
You sell them and retire on the income.

CONTEMPORARY WALL STREETISM
You have two cows.
You sell one, bundle the other with a goat, a mule,
and two dry cows.
You pile into the derivatives market, buy a Gulfstream
and when it all comes down around your ears...
You go to the government for a bailout.


118 posted on 03/02/2019 6:52:41 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: ctdonath2

AOC - SPJNK.


119 posted on 03/02/2019 6:54:55 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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To: polymuser

+10.
I got your back.


120 posted on 03/02/2019 6:57:23 PM PST by Carriage Hill (A society grows great when old men plant trees, in whose shade they know they will never sit.)
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