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Do We Really Need So Many Foreign Tech Workers?
Creators syndicate ^ | Feb 7 2019 | Froma Harrop

Posted on 02/22/2019 10:27:29 AM PST by rintintin

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To: greymattr

Just reduce visa quotas to zero. Problem solved. There that wasn’t hard was it Mr. “that’s how capitalism works”.


82 posted on 02/22/2019 12:15:17 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: greymattr
The real question is what laws should be in place to prevent business owners from hiring foreign workers to increase profits?

Not difficult. Reduce the number of H1Bs.

Similarly, H2Bs. Why should American restaurant workers have to compete with foreign workers?

I saw an article where they were complaining that, because the border was tightening and H2Bs getting harder to get, restaurant owners and farm labor contractors were having to pay higher wages... as if that was a bad thing. I thought... Exactly!

Tighten the border. Reduce work visas. Watch real wages rise for American workers.

83 posted on 02/22/2019 12:16:18 PM PST by marron
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Sure, because tech companies wont just relocate out of the U.S. or open up call centers in India or anything like that.

Ok fine. Don't import third worlders that once they get green cards and citizenship they ALL vote for Democrats. So what you suggest is better. Whatever they import beak to the USA should be prohibitively tariffed. I mean sky high. Se Mr. Capitalism we HAVE borders and we have wants, needs and desires and we want to survive. You can't import humans like raw materials into the USA, we are thinking citizens much to your dismay. AND WE VOTE!

85 posted on 02/22/2019 12:22:28 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: rintintin

No we don’t.


86 posted on 02/22/2019 12:25:51 PM PST by pnz1 (#IMNOTWITHHER)
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To: rintintin

I personally know of cases where the u.s. worker is forced to train their h1-b replacement or suffer the loss of any severance benefits they may be due ... sucks.


87 posted on 02/22/2019 12:54:06 PM PST by TheRightGuy
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To: brownsfan

Tell Trump, please


88 posted on 02/22/2019 12:58:13 PM PST by rintintin (q)
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To: pfflier

“the sad truth is that foreign educated people are technically qualified to do the jobs. American education raised a bunch of SJWs who are illiterate in math and science.”

Where did you hear or learn that “ sad truth”. The article at the top of this thread reports on a study that says otherwise

The real sad truth is that foreigners cost the companies less


89 posted on 02/22/2019 1:00:53 PM PST by rintintin (q)
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To: greymattr

Of course they will. They already do when they can. You can’t stop that.

But some engineering has to be done in the US for a variety of reasons. Sometimes, to be close to the client’s HQ, sometimes to be close to the project. Sometimes because the American company has the technology (you’ll notice how often the H1Bs have to be trained by their American colleagues...)

There are cultural factors that make it necessary for the engineering to be done here... the H1Bs are brought in, but they work here within an American structure with American quality control, etc. I worked for companies that did all of the above, off-shoring, heavy use of H1Bs. Some offshoring worked, some failed for a variety of reasons.


90 posted on 02/22/2019 1:04:47 PM PST by marron
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To: greymattr

This is how capitalism works.

And it’s why capitalism has to be regulated and tailored to protect higher interests like national sovereignty and healthy employment market for a country’s citizens


91 posted on 02/22/2019 1:05:18 PM PST by rintintin (q)
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To: rintintin

“Tell Trump, please”

I’m just a crazy old white, gun toting, right wing, Christian, veteran, male.

It’s about the worst combination in America today. No one will listen to me.


92 posted on 02/22/2019 1:06:06 PM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: greymattr

Spot on greymattr.


95 posted on 02/22/2019 2:31:39 PM PST by CJ Wolf (Free. Wwg1wga)
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To: greymattr

the way to end up with a president Cortez is to allow business free rein to cast aside American workers and hire cheaper foreigners. That’s going to stir an anti-capitalist revolution, at the ballot box.


96 posted on 02/22/2019 2:32:15 PM PST by rintintin (q)
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To: rintintin

but...but... if you don’t let in a ton of H1-Bs you’d have to hire Americans!

The No Borders wing of the GOP and their Pelosi Democrat Comrades will never agree to this.


97 posted on 02/22/2019 2:34:36 PM PST by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: rintintin

I think they all make a lot more than $10–12 per hour.
Most of the Indians I see here in North Atlanta not only have new or newer cars but their wives are here as well. Then they drop a few kids and well , you know the rest.


98 posted on 02/22/2019 2:48:32 PM PST by gawatchman
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To: ek_hornbeck

I strongly support the crackdown on illegal immigration and the enforcement of existing immigration laws. I have been retired for a few years now - so market conditions may well have changed. My mid-sized consulting company, based in Boston, ended up hiring programmers from Mumbai and Katmandu as well as local programmers. The Federal Government required us to pay prevailing local wages before we could hire foreign nationals. We were strictly speaking not a tech business but needed multi-skilled programmers to develop on-line software apps and tools. We could not find them. The H1B folks we ended up hiring were outstanding - they knew their technical stuff, they were creative and were committed to getting the job done - as were the US folks. They both were full members of the team and got along well with colleagues and clients. One has worked at the company for nearly 20 years, the other left for LA after 8 years.

I worked with the NSF on STEM education and utilization issues and attended various IEEE conferences on HR and staffing issues. Sadly I found an inordinate level of straightforward xenophobia among tech people back in the 1980s. Some of these comments indicate that it has not decreased.


99 posted on 02/22/2019 2:51:30 PM PST by bjc (Show me the data!)
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To: central_va

Few types of professional jobs have unions.

This of course came about once India was able to underbid US tech services by about 80%. The gap has shrunk significantly since then, as their wages and skill levels and global demand have risen, and our imports have suppressed the costs over here.

It’s not really a union thing. Unions didn’t protect the auto and steel manufacturers and their laborers in the 70s.


100 posted on 02/22/2019 2:56:33 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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