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The Fall of the Aztecs, The Bloody Path to Tenochtitlan
War History Online ^ | 15NOV17 | Greg Jackson

Posted on 01/09/2019 10:35:33 PM PST by vannrox

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To: jmacusa

Spanish saw the Aztec Gods as Devilish Demons—to be pulled down and replaced by the “Truth Faith” of the Roman Catholic Church. A better deal for the natives. You looked crosseyed at an Aztec Noble you had your heart ripped out, you looked wrong at a Spanish Noble you got a boot in the face but you were still alive and were offered a place (at the bottom) of the Spanish World Empire—all the wonders, tools and science of Europe, things from China, things from other parts of South America. The Spanish dreamed of a world totally dominated by Spain—one king, one pope (a Spanish Pope) for all mankind. One language one nation for all. This new world would be one of peace and prosperty! No nations, no different religions—no reason to fight? Scary.


81 posted on 01/10/2019 6:52:09 AM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: pacificus
Native tribes killed and enslaved each other for 10,000 yrs before the Europeans came but that's all right 'cause it's only bad if White people do it./sarc

I'd like to know where you got your "facts".

There were not that many people here.

The Americas had only started being populated 10-15,000 years ago.

The vast majority of Native deaths were attributible to Old World diseases they had no immunity to, and no, the diseases weren't introduced on purpose.

It wasn't until the end of the 19th century that germ theory of disease was accepted.

82 posted on 01/10/2019 7:14:29 AM PST by Eagles6
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To: pacificus
Historical

History is what it is, and cannibalism there was ended. Thank God.

83 posted on 01/10/2019 7:46:43 AM PST by onedoug
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To: Fai Mao

“I left my heart in Tenochtitlan....”


84 posted on 01/10/2019 8:01:57 AM PST by MissNomer
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To: pacificus

I think you are overstating the deaths of indigenous American peoples caused deliberately by Europeans.

If Europeans & Amerinds had met and thrown rose petals at each other the death rate wouldn’t have changed much. The prime killer was European disease and the lack of immunity that Amerinds had for it. I have read its estimated that 80%-90% of the Massachusetts coastal tribes that were available to meet the Pilgrims were dead by the time the Pilgrims got there. This was due to a few interactions with fur traders & probably Basque Cod fishermen who had a small pox infected crewman. There were no great battles or massive acts of forced religious conversion to cause these casualties probably nothing much more then a handshake & a sneeze. When Pizarro showed up at the Inca doorstep the Inca had not only undergone a brutal civil war between rival factions but had suffered the effects of a devastating plague - believed again to be smallpox. Probably picked up from the odd shipwrecked Spaniard or two. A more modern example is the devastation done to the native Hawaiian population by common European respiratory diseases some say it was “the common cold”.


85 posted on 01/10/2019 8:09:41 AM PST by Reily
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To: vannrox

Guess Mel Gibson was right.


86 posted on 01/10/2019 8:15:25 AM PST by hulagirl (High Horse Drifter)
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To: pacificus

In the early 1700’s, the Cheyenne took the Black Hills from the Kiowa.

In 1776 the Lakota Sioux defeated the Cheyenne in war and took the Black Hills from them.

About 100 years later the US did the same to the Sioux.

Why does the first conquest confer legitimate title and the second doesn’t?


87 posted on 01/10/2019 8:56:49 AM PST by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: pacificus
Many hundreds of millions of humans died and were killed as a result of these settlements.

Not credible.

88 posted on 01/10/2019 9:21:48 AM PST by AAABEST (NY/DC/LA media/political industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: super7man

You have entered the “Twilight zone”


89 posted on 01/10/2019 9:52:17 AM PST by the_daug
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To: pacificus
Good estimates put the death count

I wonder who did the estimating and what their agenda might be?

How did they come up with the numbers?

Not that it really matters, once you go over one, to those being killed, the number is too high.

90 posted on 01/10/2019 11:19:31 AM PST by Mogger
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To: the_daug

I knew somebody would get it.


91 posted on 01/10/2019 2:11:18 PM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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To: pacificus
"Good estimates put the death count of Indigenous Americans at 100 million+.

If your estimates are "good", then you must have valid, reilable data sources.

If so, please share them.

TXnMA
 

92 posted on 01/10/2019 5:15:28 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current Alias | "Barack": Satan's minion | "Muslims": Satan's useful idiots...)
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To: Mr. N. Wolfe

LOL!


93 posted on 01/10/2019 5:48:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: vannrox; Tennessee Nana; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; ..
Thanks vannrox and Tennessee Nana. And for dessert, lady fingers!

94 posted on 01/10/2019 5:49:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (and btw -- https://www.gofundme.com/for-rotator-cuff-repair-surgery)
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To: the_daug

No white meat..only dark.


95 posted on 01/10/2019 5:58:21 PM PST by Leep (Leftist are neither liberal or democratic. Neither are they pro American.)
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To: fso301

You like any of the 2000+ mosques across America?


96 posted on 01/10/2019 6:14:49 PM PST by Leep (Leftist are neither liberal or democratic. Neither are they pro American.)
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To: fso301

You MEAN like any of the 2000+ mosques across America?


97 posted on 01/10/2019 6:22:09 PM PST by Leep (Leftist are neither liberal or democratic. Neither are they pro American.)
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To: pacificus

Where’s the census data to back up your population claims?


98 posted on 01/10/2019 6:22:24 PM PST by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: vannrox; hulagirl
sacrifice scene apocalypto

Apocalypto is the Aztec movie directed by Mel Gibson

99 posted on 01/10/2019 6:35:42 PM PST by Pelham (Secure Voter ID. Mexico has it, because unlike us they take voting seriously)
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To: pacificus; SunkenCiv; All

And we must remember that the Spanish Inquisition was alive and active during this period and for centuries afterwards. I don’t know, which would you prefer, having your heart cut out or being burned alive? I suspect the former if I had a choice.


100 posted on 01/10/2019 10:27:11 PM PST by gleeaikin
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