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Firing of Several Black Coaches Puts N.F.L. Hiring Under Scrutiny (NYT alert)
New York Times ^ | December 31, 2018 | Bill Pennington and Ken Belson

Posted on 12/31/2018 8:55:08 PM PST by reaganaut1

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To: EEGator

Wakanda?
Meet reality, Rwanda.
Or Uganda.


61 posted on 12/31/2018 10:55:09 PM PST by RedMonqey ("Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didn't.")
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To: RedMonqey

I can’t tell if you are joking, but I certainly was.
Africa is a shithole.

I actually know a guy from Rwanda. I believe he likes the US a little better.


62 posted on 12/31/2018 10:58:21 PM PST by EEGator
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To: Candor7

Agree. However, I didn’t know what the color of these coaches was and couldn’t care less. I’m interested in having good coaches all around the league.

I just watched my first nearly full football game in nearly two years. I’m sick and tired of bad coaching by the Redskins and the totally incompetent, cowardly leader, Goodell, of the NFL.

Wake me when Colin Kraperhead isn’t the de facto leader of the NFL and club owners tell their disgruntled employees (aka players) “You broke your contact. Just call me Donald - you’re fired”.


63 posted on 12/31/2018 11:04:42 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: lee martell

We have “Fake news”. “Fake raciscm”. “Really bad coaches”.

And that’s the truth!


64 posted on 12/31/2018 11:06:39 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: reaganaut1

I just wish the Lions fired Matt Patricia.


65 posted on 12/31/2018 11:11:51 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: EEGator
I actually know a guy from Rwanda. I believe he likes the US a little better.

If he's like my friends from Nigeria, he probably won't have a high opinion of American blacks.

66 posted on 12/31/2018 11:12:41 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: reaganaut1

Why did they hire these fools in the first place?
AA: which is unquestionable.


67 posted on 12/31/2018 11:12:48 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: dfwgator

He doesn’t particularly. Most of his friends are White or Asian. Not too many Black people in Hawaii though.

I had a T.A. at UF that was from Cameroon. I asked him if he was going back after he got his PhD. After laughing for a solid minute, he looked at me and said no.


68 posted on 12/31/2018 11:22:07 PM PST by EEGator
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To: willk

No it’s fact. The Bell Curve was never debunked on substance only shouts of racism. The top 10% of blacks are way smarter than the top 10% of whites, but the rest of the curve is below the curve for whites. Unless you have statistical data that refutes this, you’re just parroting non-scientific SJW propaganda. This is no different than blacks being more subject to sickle-cell enemia or many other race associated medical phenomena. There are genetic differences between the populations and intellect is not exempt. This doesn’t mean we hate blacks or think they are inferior. You don’t know who you’re talking to, where they are on the intellectual curve or even where you are on the intellectual curve when you talking to a black person. So for any given encounter we treat people with respect. But when talking about populations there are facts, and stating them is not racist.


69 posted on 12/31/2018 11:27:08 PM PST by DeltaZulu
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NYT counting the acceptable level of Blackness.

So how many Blacks on the NYT BOD?


70 posted on 12/31/2018 11:31:10 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: reaganaut1
During/after 2017, 6 coaches were replaced...
During/after 2018, 8 coaches were replaced...

That's 14 coaches on 13 teams... just about half of the entire NFL... all booted in the last 400 days.

During/after 2017:
NYG (Week 13): Ben McAdoo (was 2-10 in 2017)
DET: Jim Caldwell (BLACK!!!! 9-7 in 2017)
ARIZ: Bruce Arians retires (8-8 in 2017)
CHI: John Fox (5-11 in 2017, 14-34 in CHI)
OAK: Jack DelRio (6-10)
IND: Chuck Pagano (4-12)

During/after 2018:
CLE: Hue Jackson (BLACK!!! fired mid-season, 3-36-1 in CLE overall)
GB: Mike McCarthy (fired mid-season at 4-7-1)
MIA:Adam Gase (7-9)
TB: Dirk Koetter (5-11)
NYJ: Todd Bowles (BLACK!! 4-12)
DEN: Vance Joseph (BLACK!!! 11-21 in 2-yr career)
CIN: Marvin Lewis (BLACK!!! Long overdue, 6-10 in 2018, 0-7 in playoffs)
ARIZ: Steve Wilks (BLACK!!! A rare first-year firing, NFL worst 3-13)

The only coach to be fired in that period while holding a winning record was black... Jim Caldwell in Detroit.

71 posted on 12/31/2018 11:36:16 PM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: willk

Read the data - based Bell Curve. It is true...not racist. Facts bother/annoy race-baiters.


72 posted on 12/31/2018 11:46:49 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: zeestephen

IQ averaging is irrelevant in practically every occupational scenario — the individual’s IQ isn’t necessarily limited to his affiliated demographic average.

But NYT is arguing for an expected coaching ratio that’s not founded on facts.

Without outside consultation, NYT is incapable of expressing factual data. NYT totally #’d the 2018 election predictions due to inherent incompetency. And that’s a fact.


73 posted on 12/31/2018 11:52:47 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Teacher317
The 16 black NFL head coaches with at least one full season:

Tony Dungy: 139-69, plus 9-10 in the playoffs. (1 Super Bowl win)
Mike Tomlin: 125-66, and 8-7 postseason. (1 Super Bowl win)

Dennis Green: 113-94, and 4-8 postseason...
Lovie Smith: 89-87, and 3-3 postseason...
Jim Caldwell: 62-50, and 2-4 postseason...
Art Shell: 56-52, and 2-3 postseason...

Herm Edwards: 54-74, and 2-4 postseason...
Ray Rhodes: 37-42, and 1-2 post-season...
Romeo Crennel: 28-55, never made postseason...
Todd Bowles: 26-41, no postseason...
Mike Singletary: 18-22, no postseason...
Raheem Morris: 17-31, no postseason...
Hue Jackson: 11-44, no postseason...
Vance Joseph: 11-21, no postseason...
Steve Wilks: 3-13, no postseason...

Anthony Lynn: 21-12, first postseason about to begin. (LA Chargers)

Those that win, stick around. Those that don't... don't. Race has nothing to do with it. Winning does.

74 posted on 01/01/2019 12:16:50 AM PST by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: dfwgator
Re: “I just wish the Lions fired Matt Patricia.”

In the last 10 years, has any assistant coach under Bill Belichick ever become a successful head coach after leaving New England?

I can't think of any.

75 posted on 01/01/2019 12:22:12 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: willk

Read “The Bell Curve”.


76 posted on 01/01/2019 12:23:10 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: The people have spoken

Yup and hes whiter than snow and gave them a lot of good coaching years.


77 posted on 01/01/2019 12:23:45 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not Averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: reaganaut1
A $21,000 Cosmetology School Debt, and a $9-an-Hour Job In October, another African-American coach, Hue Jackson, was fired after his teams were 3-36-1 in roughly two and a half seasons.

Well, that explains it all - he shouldn’t be wasting time on cosmetology school and taking $9/hour jobs in the middle of the season. :)

78 posted on 01/01/2019 12:25:11 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: Teacher317
I think Dennis Green might be the best Black head coach so far.

Tony Dungy and Mike Tomlin both had Hall of Fame quarterbacks who stayed healthy.

Green made the Playoffs eight times with seven different starting QBs.

79 posted on 01/01/2019 12:35:29 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: Secret Agent Man

The Bell Curve is red meat for idiots. It’s a stupid game to play. And I say that as derelict on the far right side of that stupid curve.


80 posted on 01/01/2019 12:36:04 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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