Posted on 12/16/2018 4:51:02 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
I just said limiting imports would help with local wages, which would attract more talent. And that I’d be okay shutting down all immigration for at least a decade.
You just don’t want to here truths about the industry.
And I’d imagine I know more about it than you do.
*hear*
I’ve been in IT since 1989. I watched the flood of imports ruin the industry FOR THE WORKERS.
Then you’re a pup in the industry.
And there wouldn’t have been the push to offshoring and outsourcing if non-tech enterprises hadn’t gone for it.
You are FOS. I saw what happened in the 1990’s. There was a greedy rush to make an over night profit. There could have been an orderly and steady growth of indigenous AMERICAN IT personnel AND huge profits. Now the human trafficking and importation are for pure greed.
Hey, clown—I repeat: Most of the outsourcing (which was the more disruptive) and offshoring wouldn’t have happened without the enterprise side buying into it. They’re the ones who bid down the cost of labor. Tech firms that didn’t oblige were squeezed either out of the market or down in size and profitability until they changed course.
Simple supply and demand.
The H-1B visa program should have been shut down in 1992.
What the hell does “enterprise side” mean? They are all crooks.
No one is against bringing in the best and the brightest. These number in the hundreds when it comes to the Einstein’s of the world. We don’t need the vast majority of the thousands of temporary workers we import annually. At any one time there are 2 million temporary workers in the country. This doesn’t work include the 1.1 million legal permanent immigrants we bring in every year, 20% of whom (adults) lack even a high school degree.
And you’re in IT?
I’m referring to the corporate users of IT who are the main customers of the tech companies.
I am talking about H-1B and the rush to flood the labor market which continues to this day.
Oh, I agree—except there are those here very much against the “best and brightest” strategy.
The biggest issue by far, however, is the 10s of millions of illegals.
The biggest issue is legal immigration. We can’t continue to bring in 1.1 million legal permanent immigrants a year, most of whom are poor, unskilled, and uneducated.
Nope. It is the tens of millions of low-skill and largely low-ability illegals who have come up here largely from Latin America.
Their numbers, subsidies and votes will do in our country.
But we need to stop low-skill immigration in total. And I said before, if we need to stop it ALL for a decade in order to get it under control, I’m okay with that.
But the illegals here currently need to go home. Unfortunately Trump really did nothing about that while he had a GOP House.
Since 1990 35 million legal permanent immigrants have entered this country. This is the equivalent of the current population of Canada. The vast majority of them became US citizens including having the right to vote legally. 87% of these legal permanent immigrants are minorities as classified by the US government. Immigrants and minorities vote more than two to one Dem. Immigrants and their US born children drive 80% of our population growth.
In earlier posts I provided the data showing the impact of mass immigration. These enormous numbers are transforming America demographically and electorally. America as we know it will be lost thru the ballot box.
You can posit all you want about changing the composition of our immigration intake, but the existing laws still obtain until changed. The Dems and some RINOs won’t vote to change the status quo. What motivation do they have to do so?
Illegal is illegal. Trump has been trying to enforce our immigrantion laws and has been thwarted by the courts and the Dems. DACA, sanctuary cities, and disastrous asylum laws still exist due to the courts.
You seem intent on arguing some sort of strawman argument that I’ve never offered.
I’m not ignorant or in substantial disagreement with you—though I do know well that the illegals here currently are a bigger issue at this point than those we let in legally.
Stop acting like I somehow need to be straightened out on this!
As long as you believe that illegal aliens present a bigger threat to the Republic than legal immigration, I will continue to “straighten” you out. When the history of the US is written re its decline, the 1965 Immigration Act will be mentioned as the single most important event that caused the decline and fall of the US. Demography is destiny.
Again, I don’t question that—and I didn’t.
But right now the illegals are the biggest risk. The previous legal immigrants are water over the dam. We’ve got something like 30 million friggin’ illegals in the country currently, popping out baby Americans like crazy and themselves moving to legalization and eventual citizenship.
The worst of the legal immigration is over: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/Annual-Number-of-US-Legal-Permanent-Residents
Yes, it should be curtailed. But the illegals already here will be the death of the country if they are not purged.
OMG. I can’t believe you used the liberal leftist MPI as a source.
Yes, there are 300,000 anchor babies born to at least one illegal alien parent every year. They are US citizens at birth entitled to all the rights and benefits of Americans. 60% of all births in this country are paid by Medicaid.
Whatever the threat illegal aliens present, the greater danger is legal immigration. We have just had three of the four highest decades of legal immigration in American history. Importing hundreds of thousands of future Dem voters every year for the past 50 years is what has transformed this country. CA is the canary in the coal mine.
I watched VA go from a solid Rep state to a solid Dem state primarily due to immigration. NC is next.
No further words are required, always a national embarrassment.
Yer dam hunnert Larri.
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