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Florida 'stand your ground' shooter Michael Drejka charged with manslaughter
https://abcnews.go.com/US/shooter-florida-stand-ground-case-charged-manslaughter/story?id=57151343 ^ | 8/13/2018 | BILL HUTCHINSON

Posted on 08/13/2018 9:58:09 AM PDT by dragnet2

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To: heights

“He shot the guy as the guy as he was walking away. Murder”

Have you read the law? No you haven’t. Why even post, just to be disruptive?

There is nothing in the law about if/when/how a person has to use ‘deadly force’. It basically outlines the conditions to trigger/justify the use of deadly force. It says ‘if this ...then this’. It is quite clear.

Drejka was battered, on the ground and his assailant took a step towards him. At that moment all conditions for Drejka to use deadly force were met. Drejka legally had right to use deadly force.

Yes, there was a delay between the first and second shots and yes, Drejka does have a history of verbal confrontations. However, it was his assailant who attacked, triggering the use of deadly force per FL self-defense statute. All caveats and conditions beyond the strict wording and meaning of the law are secondary. They are extenuating but essentially irrelevant.


61 posted on 08/13/2018 10:50:34 AM PDT by Justa
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To: kiryandil

Drejka has a “history”.”””

One thing about a trial——

The HISTORY of the dead guy will also be brought into court.

Bet you he isn’t a choir boy.


62 posted on 08/13/2018 10:50:37 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: kiryandil

Thanks for posting the link with a related article.

There were several incidents described but the last one was quite interesting.

A couple of months ago, Drejka was in the same parking lot outside the same Circle A Food Store at 1201 Sunset Point Road arguing over the same handicap-reserved space, according to a man who said Drejka threatened to shoot him.

Rick Kelly, 31, told the Tampa Bay Times that Drejka circled his tanker truck and confronted him about why he parked there.

Kelly asked why it mattered. He recalled that Drejka said his mom (whom records show died in 2007) is handicapped.

The argument escalated. Drejka yelled, Kelly said, and used a racial slur. Kelly is black. Drejka is white.

Drejka, he said, threatened to shoot him. But the dispute didn’t end there.

Drejka called the Clearwater septic tank company Kelly works for to complain, telling owner John Tyler that he didn’t like the way Kelly had talked to him and that he was “lucky I didn’t blow his head off.”

Tyler, a gun owner himself, told the Times he was shocked.

“I said, ‘I’m sorry you feel that way, that you feel that it’s justified to take someone’s life over a parking space,’” he said. “That was the chilling part about it when I found out who it was with the (McGlockton) situation.”


63 posted on 08/13/2018 10:54:10 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: dragnet2

GOOD! he needed to mind his own beeswax in the first place.


64 posted on 08/13/2018 10:55:08 AM PDT by ronniesgal ( I wonder what his FR handle is??)
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To: I got the rope

Wrong, video shows that the “victim” did not start to retreat until just a second after the gun was pulled and was still in striking range.


65 posted on 08/13/2018 10:55:11 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Justa
There is nothing in the law about if/when/how a person has to use ‘deadly force’.

Actually, there is. Being pushed to the ground and then the other guy retreating is not a threat of death or serious bodily harm.

66 posted on 08/13/2018 10:55:14 AM PDT by WASCWatch
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To: ridesthemiles
The HISTORY of the dead guy will also be brought into court.

Bet you he isn’t a choir boy.

"McGlockton’s history included a drug conviction in 2010 and an arrest for aggravated battery a decade ago, records show, but the charge was dropped."

McGlockton's reaction was predictable.

Drejka is going to "prisum", however.

They HAVE to get him off the streets.

Did you read the article that I posted? He was rolling around town, brandishing all the way.

As usual, the police didn't take care of business and protect the peasantry from this loose cannon.

67 posted on 08/13/2018 10:55:55 AM PDT by kiryandil (Never pick a fight with an angry beehive)
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To: dragnet2

The gun-grabbers are making a play here.

Notice the tact of the Sheriff in this case. Came right out and said - no charges...stand your ground...that’s the law.

That was NOT a mistake - they were waiting for the worst looking SYG case they could to make this statement.

At the time - It went right through me - and sounded like appropriate boilerplate.


The sheriff’s office, citing the “stand your ground” law, which allows citizens to use deadly force when fearing “imminent death or great bodily harm,” did not arrest Drejka for the fatal shooting.

“He had to shoot to defend himself,” Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri said in a statement obtained by CBS News. “And those are the facts and that’s the law.”

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/398352-man-in-deadly-stand-your-ground-shooting-over-parking-spot-wont


Let’s face it - we all know this is not a shining example of SYG - and I think a lot of gun owners aren’t comfortable with this guy being a poster child for CC.

But the remarks by the sheriff look like a play by the pro-gun control crowd. They want it to appear you can be shot for anything - and the cops can’t do anything about it.


68 posted on 08/13/2018 10:56:17 AM PDT by GG-1
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To: heights

Wrong, video shows that the “victim” did not start to retreat until just a second after the gun was pulled and was still in striking range.


69 posted on 08/13/2018 10:56:33 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: plain talk
Drejka called the Clearwater septic tank company Kelly works for to complain, telling owner John Tyler that he didn’t like the way Kelly had talked to him and that he was “lucky I didn’t blow his head off.”

John Tyler will be testifying for the prosecution...

70 posted on 08/13/2018 10:57:48 AM PDT by kiryandil (Never pick a fight with an angry beehive)
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To: chris37

Except that he did not start a confrontation with McGlockton.
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What would you do if you walked out of a store and found a man you didn’t know yelling at your wife/girlfriend? Invite him to lunch?

The shooter did the initial ‘confronting’.


71 posted on 08/13/2018 10:59:02 AM PDT by bramps (It's the Islam, stupid!)
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To: battousai

Did you read the law? Did YOU watch the video?

When Drejka hits the ground the assailant took a step toward him.

AT THAT MOMENT FL’s use of deadly force was justified.

The most you can say is by taking a step back Drejka no longer had a “reasonable belief” that he was under threat of grievous bodily harm. But we’ll hear what he believed at trial and well, the law is written to favor people who are attacked. Imagine that.


72 posted on 08/13/2018 11:00:08 AM PDT by Justa
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To: dragnet2

Seems like I remember shooter drove around looking for people in handicapped spaces so he could confront them!!! Hard decision but it seems he was awfully quick to choose lethal force!!!


73 posted on 08/13/2018 11:01:34 AM PDT by ontap
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To: heights

Not saying I disagree with you, I just thought of the view point of the guy on the ground. The “pusher” stepped back, turned sideways, and the “pushee” on the ground could no longer see the “pusher’s” right hand. Could have believed the “pusher” was reaching for his own gun.
I don’t like the whole situation.


74 posted on 08/13/2018 11:01:37 AM PDT by FL_Native
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To: dragnet2

Right on...I am CCW...I avoid any situation that might end in an argument!!!


75 posted on 08/13/2018 11:02:45 AM PDT by ontap
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To: DoodleDawg; All
"The question is whether the threat posed by the shooting victim rose to the level of threat to life and safety that justified using deadly force."

Adrenaline from assault probably helped to pull the trigger.

Corrections, insights welcome.

76 posted on 08/13/2018 11:02:48 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: bramps

I’d get in the car and leave.

The shooter said nothing to McGlockton.

McGlockton confronted the shooter.

You seem to live in Ass Backwards Land.


77 posted on 08/13/2018 11:03:24 AM PDT by chris37 ("I am everybody." -Mark Robinson)
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To: kiryandil

If all of this is true then I have no problem putting this character way for a long time.

Problem is, none of this will ever be brought up at trial. Sentencing maybe, but not trail.

This is the worst case scenario that liberals bray about and even us conservatives who support the “Stand Your Ground”laws worried about.

This man was just itching to use his weapon.


78 posted on 08/13/2018 11:05:24 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Those who turn their arms in for plowshares will be doing the plowing for those who didn't.")
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To: Amendment10
Adrenaline from assault probably helped to pull the trigger.

Adrenaline, fear, panic, anyone could have contributed.

79 posted on 08/13/2018 11:07:21 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: ontap
Seems like I remember shooter drove around looking for people in handicapped spaces so he could confront them!!!

He also was into flashing his "piece" after provoking road rage incidents.

Drejka is going down. The prosecutor was quietly collecting his nasty little history of "confrontations" - and there will be more people coming forward...

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/Records-show-road-rage-gun-threats-in-stand-your-ground-shooter-s-past_170719109

80 posted on 08/13/2018 11:13:56 AM PDT by kiryandil (Never pick a fight with an angry beehive)
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