Posted on 07/10/2018 4:44:34 PM PDT by ebb tide
At the core of homosexuality is the vile molestation and imprinting of young boys. The Church must purge all homosexuals from the clergy, make celibacy optional as to allow more normal heterosexuals to enter the priesthood and disband the Jesuit order. The Jesuit order has devolved, into an unspeakable cabal and cannot be trusted with young boys. Homosexuality is an abomination and its tolerance in the name of love the sinner, hate the sin has led to grave harm to individuals and the Church itself. Tolerance is overrated. Judgment is needed.
Making celibacy optional is not a cure-all for homosexuals in the church. Most active homosexuals laugh at the idea of celibacy. They already have a cabal going and it’s going strong.
Get rid of the homos: seminarians, rectors, priests, bishops and Cardinals, and solid virile heterosexual men will fill their shoes.
It was incredible to watch how quickly the recent news story about the former top Church representative (Cardinal of Washington DC) disappeared from the news; in fact, I was shocked it was reported at all - because it went against the lie that homosexual men and child molesters are mutually exclusive groups. In fact, there is a huge overlap, and it was a classic case: a substantiated claim of abuse of minor decades ago, and more recently settlements paid to two adult victims.
Rod Dreher was hearing stuff about it for years (this is true of other journalists as well) and couldn't get anyone to do more than tell awful stories on a "don't use my name" basis: and of course a journalist can't run with pages of anonymous allegations.
This was often young men whom McCarrick had sexually exploited, who wouldn't talk.
And McCarrick had enough decades in the upper hierarchy to promote, protect, and network with many other sick, conscienceless perverts like himself. And they're still there.
Most normal virile heterosexuals will not become priests if they must remain celibate. Time to make celibacy optional so that normal heterosexuals would consider the priesthood. Its a given that homosexuals in the priesthood mock celibacy.
Pure BS. Heaven is filled with virile celibate priests, some of them martyrs. You do them shame.
Change the word most for many and stand by the post. However your point is well taken.
I would go with making the discipline generally optional if I didn’t think that would just lead to other things. That is why the most pro-homosexual factions of the Church want the discipline ended. The Jesuits and other libs aren’t screaming that the discipline is valuable and should continue. The exact opposite is true. Try to find one pro-abort, pro- ‘gay marriage’ pro-priestess that thinks the discipline is valuable and should continue.
The married Catholic clergy that exist now have expressed that they think the discipline is valuable and should continue, at least that I have read.
Freegards
This guy was not a priest, hevwas a deacon, a lay official of the church and under no restriction on marriage
What is it with the Catholic church and child molesters? Good grief!
What does homosexual abuse have to do with “marriage”?
Partially true. A permanent deacon is an ordained clergyman in the Church, not a layman. And deacons have some restrictions on marriage. If single at the time of ordination, they take the same vow of celibacy as a priest. If married at the time of ordination, they take the vow to not remarry should their wife die.
The question is becoming do they want to get rid of the homos?
I agree that the guy is an abomination on all levels, but for clarity I’ll add that Catholic deacons are indeed ordained (sacrament of Holy Orders) and are clergy, not laity.
Sorry for the redundancy. Didn’t see your post.
True - but having the celibacy deal encourages those with odd views to enter priesthood....allow heterosexual family men to be priests and 95% of the problem gets solved.
Yes, it is reminiscent of our “gay governor” McGreevey, who got married to hide it. When he finally came out, it surprised nobody - except apparently his wife.
It makes all of McCarrick’s actions - and appointments - suspect; at least we know why Dems reliably carry the “Catholic” states...
The same thing with scout leaders, teachers, and coaches - it is the position of authority to which the child rapists are drawn. Other religious denominations have the same problems, and have indicated to the Church that allowing married men doesn’t address the problem.
A deacon receives the Sacrament of Holy Orders and is ordained, and is therefore a clergyman.
If a deacon is married at the time of ordination, he remains married; but does not remarry if his wife passes away: a widowed deacon must remain unmarried. Also if he is unmarried at the time of ordination, he must remain unmarried (celibate.)
Formerly,the Catholic Church had "Major Orders" (bishop, priest and deacon/subdeacon) and "Minor Orders" (acolyte, exorcist, lector and porter/usher.)
In 1972, the minor orders were renamed "ministries" and are now carried out by laypeople, both men and women: now it's just lector, acolyte and usher.
Exorcist is a special, rarer role with extensive specialized training. I don't think all dioceses have an official exorcist, but Pope Francis is encouraging the expansion of the Order of Exorcists. I believe an exorcist is always a priest.
Traditionalist Catholics who use the 1962 Roman Missal still observe the traditional Major Orders (considered clergy) and Minor Orders (considered laity). I'm thinking maybe Eastern Rite Catholics do too (??)
That's the basic outline, but I may be a little fuzzy on the details. It's shifted a bit over the last century.
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