Posted on 06/25/2018 3:28:41 PM PDT by Mariner
“There were a lot of people in the South vehemently opposed to slavery, believe it or not.”
...the slaves?
Todd Akin, Roy Moore....
I agree. Such a dumb comment. I will accept the statement that slavery wasn’t the only issue in the civilian war, but his comment can be interpreted as slavery wasn’t an issue at all.
And that’s dumb.
AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union now existing between the State of Arkansas and the other States united with her under the compact entitled "The Constitution of the United States of America."
Whereas, in addition to the well-founded causes of complaint set forth by this convention, in resolutions adopted on the 11th of March, A.D. 1861, against the sectional party now in power in Washington City, headed by Abraham Lincoln, he has, in the face of resolutions passed by this convention pledging the State of Arkansas to resist to the last extremity any attempt on the part of such power to coerce any State that had seceded from the old Union, proclaimed to the world that war should be waged against such States until they should be compelled to submit to their rule, and large forces to accomplish this have by this same power been called out, and are now being marshaled to carry out this inhuman design; and to longer submit to such rule, or remain in the old Union of the United States, would be disgraceful and ruinous to the State of Arkansas:
Therefore we, the people of the State of Arkansas, in convention assembled, do hereby declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the "ordinance and acceptance of compact" passed and approved by the General Assembly of the State of Arkansas on the 18th day of October, A.D. 1836, whereby it was by said General Assembly ordained that by virtue of the authority vested in said General Assembly by the provisions of the ordinance adopted by the convention of delegates assembled at Little Rock for the purpose of forming a constitution and system of government for said State, the propositions set forth in "An act supplementary to an act entitled `An act for the admission of the State of Arkansas into the Union, and to provide for the due execution of the laws of the United States within the same, and for other purposes,'" were freely accepted, ratified, and irrevocably confirmed, articles of compact and union between the State of Arkansas and the United States, and all other laws and every other law and ordinance, whereby the State of Arkansas became a member of the Federal Union, be, and the same are hereby, in all respects and for every purpose herewith consistent, repealed, abrogated, and fully set aside; and the union now subsisting between the State of Arkansas and the other States, under the name of the United States of America, is hereby forever dissolved.
And we do further hereby declare and ordain, That the State of Arkansas hereby resumes to herself all rights and powers heretofore delegated to the Government of the United States of America; that her citizens are absolved from all allegiance to said Government of the United States, and that she is in full possession and exercise of all the rights and sovereignty which appertain to a free and independent State.
We do further ordain and declare, That all rights acquired and vested under the Constitution of the United States of America, or of any act or acts of Congress, or treaty, or under any law of this State, and not incompatible with this ordinance, shall remain in full force and effect, in nowise altered or impaired, and have the same effect as if this ordinance had not been passed.
Adopted and passed in open convention on the 6th day of May, A.D. 1861
Slavery was a minor part of it as was tariffs.
The main thing to both North and South was whether we would be an all powerful centralized government or one of power being retained by the states as the Constitution clearly states.
The North called themselves “The Union” while the Confederates thought of themselves as fighting for their homes and states.
These threads usually degenerate into nonsense but they do accomplish one thing.
A lot of vermin come out of the wood work. Several have been outed in previous years as Obama supporters etc.
Abraham Lincoln was strongly supported by none other than Karl Marx.
He’s absolutely correct. Whether it’s a good political move to try and educate people in this time of universal deceit is another matter.
I agree. He should have told the slavers to go piss up a rope. He was busy trying to save our nation.
There is nothing making secession unconstitutional either.
This is one argument that will probably go on forever. But for what it’s worth, Confederate general John S. Mosby said it was all about slavery.
“I’ve always understood that we went to war on account of the thing we quarreled with the north about. I’ve never heard of any other cause of quarrel than slavery.”
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_S._Mosby#Letter_(1894)
Side note: Mosby was probably right, at least for the wealthy Southern political leadership. But for the dirt-poor Reb serving as an infantry private, I don’t think so. He was fighting against the North for the same reason his great-grandfather fought against England.
Yeah and Trump was supported by members of the kkk. What a stupid comment.
How is the man a fool? Because he stated the truth? Damn.
Why did Lincoln say that if he could preserve the union but had to maintain slavery he would do that?
There! see - that wasn’t so hard!
“Civil War was fought over the issue of slavery”
Slavery was at the root of the conflict.
And after it was all over, sharecropping actually worked out better for the plantation owners.
Marx and Hitler both hated a strong republic of semi independent states. Hitler thought the US South was a danger to the American empire and wrote about it Mien Kampf.
And so tell me “How many Rebs & Yanks dance on that pin?”
I have no idea who the KKK supports and I doubt you do either.
I do know who Marx supported.
Great. Yet another candidate who is too stupid to avoid liberal media pitfalls. Debating whether what he says is true or not completely, totally misses the point. Most voters, guided by the media, simply see another crank who seems way to interested in defending the Confederacy and discuss a long-irrelevant issue. This type of nonsense absolutely kills the GOP. Yet, every election cycle, they find a couple fools who have zero media savvy.
Good answer. Not only isn't it the 1860s, it's also not the 1960s. To get elected in Virginia, you have to win votes from people whose families weren't living in the state in 1860, or even in 1960.
Hint to Corey: nobody who doesn't support you now is going to decide to vote for you based on talk like this, but some who are undecided will decide not to vote for you because of what you said.
To people who grew up in the south, know history and respect our ancestors there was nothing controversial about what he said. I would have said it didn’t start out about slavery but the issue was injected into it mid way by Lincoln and the abolitionists and so in the end it was about crushing the South independence and also ending slavery.
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