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Conservatives Must Build Their Own Culture or Be Exiles Inside Their Own Society
Townhall.com ^ | June 4, 2018 | Kurt Schlichter

Posted on 06/04/2018 1:10:36 AM PDT by Kaslin

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1 posted on 06/04/2018 1:10:36 AM PDT by Kaslin
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A free society is one in where people get to live the way they want.

I always thought the ban on gays serving in the military made no sense because I have a libertarian view that what consenting adults do in the bedroom is no one else’s business.

Unfortunately, I don’t see that tolerance reciprocated on the Left for people who believe in traditional marriage, want kids raised in a home with a father and a mother, people who believe in our flag and in standing up for our national anthem, people who believe our Second Amendment right guarantees our First, people who believe in religious liberty and people who believe a nation is a place with borders and common values.

That’s what most of us believe. The Democrats are minority party today because they have chased out every one who doesn’t toe the leftist litmus test. When you can’t build coalitions with people who think differently, your ability to government is non-existent.

Conservatives may not be able to overcome the pervasively liberal culture. But they will gradually find a way to make themselves heard. Because we know who we are and what we believe in and our idea of tolerance is respecting how other people choose to live their lives even if its not how we prefer to live.

Liberals may think have won our culture wars hand down. They should think again.


2 posted on 06/04/2018 1:29:22 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Kaslin

This is the best assessment I have seen of the
cultural persecution conservatives are under in
this bureaucratic, judicial and institutional
dictatorship. It has to stop or the US will go the
way of dinosaurs sooner than we can imagine.


3 posted on 06/04/2018 2:50:31 AM PDT by jazzlite (i)
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To: jazzlite

We have the better argument: freedom and diversity. Theirs is coercion and regimentation.

I don’t think there’s any dispute about which side represents American values.


4 posted on 06/04/2018 3:04:08 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Kaslin

>>The Fredocons will whine that this is not a conservative solution. Oh. Well, we tried submission and that doesn’t work for us.

Bingo.


5 posted on 06/04/2018 3:34:02 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: goldstategop

On homosexuals in military forces, combat MOS (specialty) soldiers on duty all share the same bedroom and in close proximity, whether in barracks or in the field. And there’s no freedom.


6 posted on 06/04/2018 3:35:00 AM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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>>I always thought the ban on gays serving in the military made no sense because I have a libertarian view that what consenting adults do in the bedroom is no one else’s business.

Becuase they DON’T restrict it to their bedroom because the military doesn’t get bedrooms. No one wants to wake up to a surprise hand job when you suddenly realize that you are at sea...on a submarine...and the homo cook got confused and thought he was doing his boyfriend a favor and reached behind the wrong curtain.


7 posted on 06/04/2018 3:42:23 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: familyop

You bleed the same on duty no matter how you live your private life.

The Left has a vision society should affirm other people’s values by whether they bake cakes or who goes to the bathroom.

Conservatives have a different view. Your values and how you live them, is your business.

That’s the difference between forcing people to endorse values they don’t agree with to allowing people to decide the values they want to live by.

And we believe individuals and families - not the state - should make those decisions for themselves.


8 posted on 06/04/2018 3:43:09 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Bryanw92

That’s the point.

You have a right to reject unwanted advances and its the reason we have laws in place against sexual harrassment and sexual assault.

People who don’t behave decently around other people forfeit my sympathy. I expect every one to respect others whether they’re straight or gay, Period.


9 posted on 06/04/2018 3:48:23 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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"The Fredocons will whine that this is not a conservative solution."

I ran a search on the word (or non-word), Fredocon. No definition. After following the link from the word in that line and watching the video, the term apparently has something to do with television or movie fiction. So, term dismissed and on to something real.


10 posted on 06/04/2018 3:50:20 AM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: goldstategop

The ban on gays in the military had to do, as Norman Schwarzkopf said, with homosexuality’s incompatibility with close order drill and dozens of other situations unique to the military. As it turned out, ‘we just want to serve’ was the usual anodyne thin end of the wedge and now we see Pacific naval bases having Drag Night and so forth.


11 posted on 06/04/2018 3:50:21 AM PDT by relictele
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To: Kaslin

I usually agree with Schlichter but he is, in effect, saying that we must build a house because the lefties knocked our old one over. What does he think will happen to the new one?

We HAD a culture. We still do. We must retake it rather than go for some Amish or Muslim cloistered society.


12 posted on 06/04/2018 3:52:52 AM PDT by relictele
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Its unfortunate its come to that because in my view, we should accept other people as they are. That’s only human and humane to do.

I never thought it meant we should accept their values and their lifestyle. I can’t see myself condoning a sin. For me it does mean accepting gay people as created in the image of God who should be treated decently.

Leftists will interpret my view of toleration as consenting to the notion all values and lifestyles are equal. Not at all - I simply believe that in a free society we have to get along with people who happen to live differently from us.

Tolerance does not mean we have to agree with them.


13 posted on 06/04/2018 3:56:58 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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>>That’s the point.

>>You have a right to reject unwanted advances and its the reason we have laws in place against sexual harrassment and sexual assault.

No, that’s not the point. Libertarianism is like Communism: they both make perfect sense in a classroom or coffee shop, but fail to understand human nature by making really bad assumptions about how people will behave.

Nothing in the military is libertarian. NOTHING!


14 posted on 06/04/2018 4:02:49 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: Bryanw92

Libertarians and conservatives agree freedom is the organizing principle of society.

Conservatives part company with libertarians by insisting freedom has to be bounded by laws and values. No society can exist for long without the latter.

No one has said the military is libertarian. But people’s off-duty lives are their business. The two are different things. Its also true its free people who give their lives so the rest of us can enjoy our freedoms.


15 posted on 06/04/2018 4:10:38 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Kaslin
So the Left's anti-culture or absence of culture, is a culture?
Conservatives have values and cultures (not just one) because we believe they work.
The Left only seeks to be controversial.

16 posted on 06/04/2018 4:18:19 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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Silicon Valley + Corporate Media = The most dangerous threat to our freedoms since the founding of the American Republic.

They MUST be destroyed.


17 posted on 06/04/2018 4:20:57 AM PDT by TTFlyer
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"And we believe individuals and families - not the state - should make those decisions for themselves."

You don't understand or are ignoring what I said again. Neither individuals nor families decide how soldiers live, train or fight. There's no privacy for a combat specialty soldier who must live with the others in his squad or platoon. There's no freedom. They are subject to a different system of laws. I've lived it. All who've done so would agree with me except for a very odd few who, for their own selfish and pathological reasons, betray the lives and efforts of men in service now.


18 posted on 06/04/2018 4:22:24 AM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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“Who’s in Galt’s john? Paying customers only!“

That’s funny.

L


19 posted on 06/04/2018 4:23:18 AM PDT by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: BitWielder1

You can push the envelope.

To the extent that happened in our society, most of us want to set limits. We’re not comfortable with all the changes that have taken place.

You can say the Left is the culture. We’re the counter-culture.

And we won’t change even if they force us to. Their values are not ours and we have confidence in our own path and what America should be.


20 posted on 06/04/2018 4:25:01 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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