Medical Marijuana Debate?

Townhall.com ^ | January 25, 2018 | Steve Sherman

[TheStickman]

“IF pot WERE an effective medicine pharmaceuticals would be all over it.”

How do you come by this very special knowledge of what pharmaceuticals ‘would’ or ‘would’ not do?

Bottom line is that for some of us cannabis is medicine. I started using it in 2015 to treat depression & anxiety after 20+ years of taking pharmaceuticals as prescribed with less than acceptable results. Since then I’ve lost 81 lbs (and counting) due to increased energy & the desire to exercise & my wife has her husband back again.

[TheStickman]

“If it were an effective treatment for various maladies with no nasty side effects drug companies would be all over it.”

I can always count on most FR prohibitionists to include at least one fallacy in nearly every post. Tis’ funny!

How do you have knowledge of what drug companies would or would not be doing regarding cannabis? You’re on the board of one? A salesman for them?

The person in the article says they experienced symptomatic relief when using cannabis & prohibitionists get all bent about it. Hilarious.

[shotgun]

I just tell my primary care providers that if my spasms get real bad tgat I take a few tokes and I’m all good. They have all said great. Why should I go pay these folks good money to get a script for my muscle relaxers?

[phs3]

Drug companies are not in the business of manufacturing plant extracts. Their business model is developing novel compounds that treat a disease or symptom, having patents awarded and then selling the compound exclusively for what ever price the market will bear.

Their is nothing in canibus that Big Pharma can profit from.

But, keeping it prohibited does guarantee that patients will have to use their less effective and much more dangerous alternatives, that they do, in fact, profit handsomely from.

Interesting fact: As a medical researcher, if one wanted to gain federal approval from the NIDA to study the effects of canibus, my thesis would have to state that I'm attempting to prove a detrimental effect. If they suspect that your are studying therapeutic effects, your petition will be denied.

[phs3]

Really?

Like these side effects...
Liver failure or inflammation of the liver
Low platelet count
Blood in the urine
Urinary tract infection
agranulocytosis
Low red blood cell count, or anemia
Stevens-Johnson Syndrome or toxic epidermal necrolysis (TEN)
Stroke
Heart attack
High blood pressure
Kidney damage
And thats over the counter Advil.

[fireman15]

Drug companies are not in the business of manufacturing plant extracts.

Drug companies have and are still studying therapeutic uses for marijuana and various other drugs that are based on plant extracts.

[fireman15]

When smoked. There are much better delivery methods available now that don’t have the same debilitating effects.

Most of the psychotic episodes that I have personally responded to that were triggered by marijuana use were from marijuana that was eaten not smoked. Is that the “delivery method you were thinking of?

[phs3]

But they dont sell plant extracts. They chemicalize, isomerize, and twist into something else, usually a more dangerous version of itself.

Another interesting fact: Humans and other mammals have receptors in their brain that will only attach to THC. That means that those who have had contact with THC use parts of their brains that a THC naive individual will never use.

[fireman15]

And marijuana has caused unpredictable and dangerous psychotic episodes in many individuals... which is one of the liabilities that will likely prevent most major drug company from making large investments.

[fireman15]

That means that those who have had contact with THC use parts of their brains that a THC naive individual will never use.

Considering the number of long term pot users that are now in multi-level care facilities suffering from early and advanced dementia... it is unfortunate that the additional part of the brain they gain use of is not able to help them.

[phs3]

Proof....LOL, you cant, because its false!

[1Old Pro]

Is anyone concerned about lung damage from smoking non-filtered joints?

[TheStickman]

“And marijuana has caused unpredictable and dangerous psychotic episodes in many individuals... which is one of the liabilities that will likely prevent most major drug company from making large investments.”

So many fallacies, so little time. Alcohol can cause psychotic episodes too. Guess all the makers of it manage their liability better than they drug companies do, eh Fireguy? Wonder how drug companies deal with the risk of psychotic episodes from benzodiazepines???

So Fireguy, do you have a relative that’s high up in the drug company food chain that let you know the inside baseball of drug company liabilities?

Nice use of moving the goalposts, Fireguy

[phs3]

I have been around a lot of smokers, and I mean a lot. And I have never seen a person suffer from a psychotic episode.
Where do you get your information from the DEA?
The DEA, the largest bureaucracy in fedzilla threatened with the prospect of not being able to grow and extend their budget if canibus is rescheduled.

[Springman]

Bump for later.

[fireman15]

I have been around a lot of smokers, and I mean a lot. And I have never seen a person suffer from a psychotic episode.

The last one I went to ate too many edibles from one of the legal pot dispensaries in the neighborhood where our fire station was located. He became convinced that he was Jesus Christ and was fighting with the police when we arrived.

My crew and I managed to get him calmed down, and I got on the radio and asked the ambulance to make a “silent approach”. Then I sent one of my crew out to ask the paramedics not to do anything to get him excited.

The paramedics of course disregarded my request and got him so spun up that it took six of us to hold him down and strap him to the gurney. A couple of us had to ride to the hospital with him in the back of the ambulance to try and help to keep him from hurting himself. This is not uncommon. I have had almost identical situations with women as well.

[schurmann]

“...Their business model is developing novel compounds that treat a disease or symptom, having patents awarded and then selling the compound exclusively for what ever price the market will bear....”

Looks like free enterprise - a concept central to the American character.

Or it used to be; 130 years of Progressivism has altered the picture a bit.

All Progressives believe “Need creates right” - an assertion at the core of communism, a philosophy forever at odds with American society and irreducibly hostile to the United States. And they have labored for generations, to get the public to believe everyone has a right to whatever they need. Their efforts have made a hash out of medical care, nationwide.

If we are to conserve and reassert principles so central to the nation, we must turn our backs on author Steve Sherman’s family tragedies, and the many posters to this thread who so self-righteously defend unregulated marijuana use. They need to get over their hubris - and jettison their compassion.

Injustice is preferable to ruin.