Posted on 01/21/2018 6:06:57 AM PST by familyop
The greatest concern that I have observed with the increase in consumption associated with legalization here in Washington State are the large number of people driving after and even while smoking or eating marijuana. Word of lax or no enforcement have gotten out and as a result people are constantly and brazenly smoking pot while they drive down residential streets and also on the highways. This has become a huge problem here and the police have no way of gauging it or enforcing the restrictions that supposedly were going to be associated with the new law.
“Fighting for a free nation and healing sick people” is FAR more than only legal cannabis. I build buildings, teach and develop, new ways to bring water, power, food and medicine to people. I get involved in politics and ensure ALL freedoms are not attacked.
There is zero contradiction and zero lies.
“multiple calls where people were experiencing psychotic episodes where they were putting themselves and others in extreme danger after eating just a “little too much” marijuana”
Such calls happen down the block from me every night when drunks have too much. MUCH more likely than anything I’ve seen from cannabis. Over the decades I’ve literally been surrounded a million people smoking cannabis without one episode. Even the police at all concerts unanimously say they would deal with a stoner crowd than drinkers anyday.
“permanent organ damage most notably to the brain have been repeatedly observed especially in long term or young users.” “animal test subjects it has been determined that a lethal dose is typically somewhere between 40 mg/kg to 130 mg/kg.”
No direct damage was ever shown or even close to anything you would see from any truly toxic substances. NOT ONE single dead cell of any organ has ever been recorded via human use!
The lethal dose is impossible to approach under any method of cannabis consumption. Even if you somehow got enough pure THC extract (would be absurdly expensive or require expensive lab equipment), you physically could not get that mess down your throat and into your stomach. Likely it would clog your intestines. If you attempted to inhale that much, your lungs would be soon too irritated to breathe or you would fall asleep long before anything toxic occured.
There have been studies that correlate some particular brain structures to cannabis use. Or young people with certain brain development to cannabis use. It only shows a correlation of brain structure in people more likely to use cannabis. Some people simply dont have the mind for it. It doesnt show any dead cells or damage and not a single direct permanent change has ever been shown in a lab (i.e. twin studies of controlled animals as is the standard for all other drugs).
You have experience with mentally ill who should not be using cannabis in the first place. A doctors review is needed should ban them from using it (AND alcohol). While anyone qualified should be able to buy from legal stores that crush the illegal competition (the ones who sell to kids and junkies).
I’ve never myself seen anyone healthy permanently harmed or changed by cannabis. They may enjoy it too much and not do much else. Lack of mental/physical activity temporarily slows the body and mind into a stupor. But I’ve seen the same with video games, facebook, porn, dungeons/dragons and endless other activities.
We cant outlaw something because a few people abuse it! Especially something medicinal to so many people.
Just like we cant outlaw guns because a few crazies are out there. Guns are essential for life for some people just as much as cannabis!
End of story!
What about people constantly and brazenly taking Rx pills while driving? I go for a toothache and the pushers give me vicodin!
We also have countless accidents due to psychiatric drugs like xanax and the new crazy sleep drugs like Ambien.
Cannabis impairs far less than alcohol or any of these drugs. It would be of absolute least concern as long as users of ALL impairing drugs are given proper review to ensure they are not an insane junkie (alcohol, cannabis and other Rx)
This is simply not true. I have personally attended to persons suffering psychotic episodes after consuming marijuana purchased from licensed dispensaries. I am certainly not an advocate for the use of alcohol, the mechanisms by which various substances affect the brain are different and not comparable in many cases. Marijuana alters perception, judgment and even motor skills along with causing permanent brain damage with repeated use.
There are numerous other health problems associated which will become more and more evident as time goes on. Baby boomers are now getting older and difficulties that this aging population has which are related to their use of marijuana are now becoming much more evident in multi-level care facilities.
Arguing that other substances cause disorientation and so marijuana should be allowed is simply stupid. It is dangerous to have people driving around after using marijuana. This is what is currently happening with greater and greater frequency since pot was legalized here.
The erroneous “facts” that you are spreading are dangerous misinformation of the very worst kind. If you truly are a wealthy individual as you claim... you are putting your assets at risk by spreading untrue and misleading information. I realize that many persons with no assets say the same types of things, but lawyers go basically after only those with assets.
I appreciate the advice and I’m well aware. I’ve studied the subject in great depth and detail accross the world. Nothing I said is untrue, nothing is misleading and nothing is illegal.
Right now there are new cannabis ads being sponsored by real doctors and the listed “side effects” are less than any OTC drug. Basically, you get sleepy and hungry. Yes, people can have a bad reaction to anything but with cannabis it’s RARE compared to any other drugs. Prescriptions like Chantix, Ritalin and Ambien are known to cause violent insanity in rare cases yet we still allow them.
Attend 10 music festivals yourself and go see nearly a million people smoking pot in field. I’ve been accross the planet surrounded by people ranging from young to very old. Many who used pot for many decades and are healthier than people half their age. You’ll meet top people in engineering, IT, biotech. Any creative industry. You’re unlikely to see a single psychotic outburst or even fight. I have never seen ONE case of violence out of maybe 50 festivals. The difference from being surrounded by drunks is incredible.
Attend one large drinking club in a major city and you’re very likely to see multiple cases of violence every single night. And infinite cases of stupidity.
Its very clear the vast, vast majority of pot smokers are calm and merely want to relax and be left alone. There is nothing bad about having a nonviolent alternative for alcohol and Rx users (if they cannot quit completely).
“permanent brain damage with repeated use”
Again, absolutely not true. Not a single human cell in any organ has ever been harmed by any active ingredient in cannabis. PERIOD. They’ve found brain patterns in people that use cannabis are different from those who dont. Yet they have never been able to produce any direct changes in a single twin study. It’s the same way there are average brain differences in people who are artists versus accountants. It doesn’t mean one group is “damaged”, only different.
Pointing out correlation is extremely misleading science. They found scizophrenics correlate with cigarette smoking 700% higher than healthy people. Yet nobody writes headlines such as “cigarettes MAY cause insanity”. But that is constantly what they do with cannabis.
Comparing cardiovascular disease rates in these patients to disease rates in patients not reporting marijuana use, researchers found marijuana use was associated with a significantly increased risk for stroke, heart failure, coronary artery disease and sudden cardiac death.
Marijuana use was also linked with a variety of factors known to increase cardiovascular risk, such as obesity, high blood pressure, smoking and alcohol use. After researchers adjusted the analysis to account for these factors, marijuana use was independently associated with a 26 percent increase in the risk of stroke and a 10 percent increase in the risk of developing heart failure.
This study was from records that came mostly from states where the use of marijuana was still illegal. This means that the records were from patients who were likely hesitant to discuss their history of using an illegal substance with their doctor. So as marijuana becomes more accepted for medical and recreational use, the association will most likely become much stronger.
My own and my wife’s personal observation in our medical treatment of marijuana users is that persons with a history of long term use have significant negative health issues. One of the issues that we have noticed repeatedly and consistently is that many users have varicose veins and circulatory problems in their feet legs, genital regions and problems with hemorrhoids and bruise easily at an unusually young age. This has led both of us to conclude that marijuana usage is very bad for a person’s vascular system. So it is not surprising to us at all that studies are showing an increase in stroke and cardiovascular disease associated with marijuana use.
You have convinced yourself despite much evidence to the contrary and common sense that marijuana has no negative consequences. If you wish to keep believing this for your own peace of mind that is one thing, but when you spread this type of nonsense you put others at risk. This is wrong and this certainly could open you up to legal liability especially if the greenhouse you have spoken of in a previous post is used to supply others with marijuana.
When we looked at the brain, it had horrible degenerative changes,” said Dr. Suzanne M. de la Monte, a professor of neurosurgery at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, who co-authored the review and examined the man’s brain after his death. [7 Ways Marijuana May Affect the Brain]
The researchers said they don’t know exactly how much marijuana the man used in the years before his death. But blood tests conducted on several occasions before the man was admitted to the hospital the last time showed high levels of marijuana compounds, de la Monte told Live Science. Moreover, both the patient and his family told doctors about the man’s heavy marijuana use, de la Monte said. People who use marijuana at lower levels may not suffer such drastic consequences.
This case and other research cited in the review suggest that chronic, heavy marijuana use may cause cognitive impairment and brain damage, the researchers wrote in their review, published in the journal Pediatric Neurology.
https://www.livescience.com/56264-heavy-marijuana-use-may-damage-the-brain.html
I cannot begin to remember the number of music festivals and concerts that I have attended helping to provide emergency medical and safety services. The ones where we had by far the most violence, psychotic episodes and emergency transports have been the events with the most marijuana usage. The events we ALWAYS had the LEAST difficulty with were events such as Country Western concerts with little marijuana usage.
I am assuming that you were paying attention only to your own needs and pleasures and have not paid even the slightest attention to the difficulties that others have had at the music events that you have attended “across the planet”. These types of events have been more problematic in the years since marijuana was legalized here. You simply have no clue about the challenges that my coworkers and I have faced. Not a clue.
I’ve reviewed and discussed with Medical professionals the cardiovascular issues you speak of. They are clearly resulting from side effects of smoke and/or low blood pressure. The study clearly says they did not account for how the patients consumed it. Most older patients only smoked it due to prohibition. Without prohibition, they would have the clean extracts we started seeing in the 1930. And see again in medical states now.
People with poor bloodflow should not be taking cannabis in most cases since it lowers pressure. And people in general should not be smoking anything.
Luckily due to legalization, most states now require a doctors review. And cannabis is now available in many purified, smokeless forms. They even have machines where you can insert the dry plant (can be home grown) and clean vapor is made for the patient.
I’ve taken interest in this ONE case but unfortunately based on my latest search the researchers did not provide raw data and have stopped publishing on this case in 2016. To make such a bold claim and publish so little smells of “hit and run” social media science.
It’s most likely this man had some type of unidentified generative disease and was using cannabis to alleviate his symptoms. If cannabis truly caused physical damage, we would have seen it long ago in millions of people.
If you have raw data or additional info on this case I would be very interested. My friends in the medical fields were also interested
Your assumption is incorrect again. I’ve planned engineering and medical services for many festivals around the world. Including meeting with medical, security and local law enforcement.
Even while simply attending, I’ve helped people that required medical attention. Most were due to alcohol poisoning and maybe 25% due to overheating (mostly obese).
Every single medical team has told us drinking festivals are exponentially worse and there is little work where people just relax and smoke pot. I suppose in most of the world, the hard drinkers are into metal which inspires some violence.
Country seems to me a far more relaxed vibe but I haven’t attended or worked on one. I suppose in some areas, rap would be the most common music for pot smokers and understand where your peoples’ view is from.
From both our observations, we can see how culture completely changes the effects of a drug. You can see how bringing addicts into prison is clearly not a good culture to expose them to
You and I both know very well that marijuana is frequently combined by users with alcohol or other mind altering substances especially at concerts and other public events. If the crowd at a concert or event has a lot of marijuana with them they typically have a lot of alcohol and other mind altering substances as well.
The amount of difficulty we have with the crowd from my perspective has much to do with the average age and the type of experience that the most of the participants are seeking. If what they are looking for is sex, drugs, and rock and roll... we are likely to have a difficult night.
The way that you brush off any first hand knowledge that I have of the hazards of long term marijuana use is actually amusing at some levels. But the way that you brush off even scientific evidence collected and compiled by physicians is disturbing. I assume since you said that I was out of touch with the younger generations and said that you felt that you were ready to start having children that you are a relatively young person. Your statements have demonstrated clearly that your judgment and most likely your mind has already been severely clouded. I hope for your sake that this is just from the foolishness of your youth and that you will come to your senses before you have done permanent damage to yourself as many of my long term acquaintances have.
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