Schertz/Cibolo ISD mourns first-grader killed in deputy-involved shooting

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[Bogey78O]

All have exceptions for self defense.

Did you not read that far?

Stop trying. This is annoying me. You aren’t my peer in this regard.

[Lurker]

“All have exceptions for self defense.”

Except the person they were shooting at was unarmed. Therefore there was no threat.

Manslaughter.

If someone was dumb enough to give you a badge do society a favor and return it. You’re not competent to have one.

Now go hump someone else’s leg, Skippy.

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[freeandfreezing]

You want to detail those as they apply to this situation or will you back off and admit I’m more informed on how the law works as it relates to lethal force?

Neither. I don't care what you know about the law as it relates to lethal force. Nice try at shifting the topic away from your repugnant ideas about what an appropriate action is during a police interaction with a suspect.

Why don't you start by explaining what steps the police officer who discharged his weapon did to avoid killing the six year old.

And then why don't you explain why you think the innocence test applies to law enforcement officers in pursuit of a suspect. It obviously doesn't apply in any way similar to the way it applies to a person who is not a law enforcement officer.

And then perhaps you could set forth your understanding of why it was reasonably essential for the law enforcement officers to shoot an unarmed person, instead of taking another course of action given their resources, numerical and weapons superiority, etc.

[Bogey78O]

Oh wow, you actually think they were shooting at the child.

That’s the problem here. Now I understand. You simply don’t know any of the facts of the case.

[Bogey78O]

The person they shot moments earlier had a gun. There was every reason to believe they were still armed.

Sorry, the same reason why it’s difficult to debate things with snowflake SJWs is in play here. You’ve made it clear the law, logic, and reason don’t apply.

Let me be clear, I do not care about your feelings on reality. Nor does reality care about how you feel about it.

The cops were facing a threat that any reasonable person would feel is a lethal threat. They fired at the lethal threat. They’re not criminally responsible if someone they can’t see gets hit with a ricochet or overpenetration.

[freeandfreezing]

Again you are just shifting the issue to try to save face, and making assumptions to fit your theory like "There was every reason to believe they were still armed."

So how do you know that? Were you there? What could "every reason" mean, since it turned out the person was not armed.

Your unsupported statement that "The cops were facing a threat that any reasonable person would feel is a lethal threat" is unsupported by evidence, unless you were a witness or participant in the event.

The discussion isn't about criminal responsibility, even though you'd like to shift it to that. The discussion is about the lack of training, or bad tactics, or inappropriate attitudes which lead to a six year old getting killed, along with another person who we now know was not a danger to the officers that shot them.

And in reality, the discussion is ultimately about how to prevent kids like Kameron Prescott from getting killed. Which is the reality here.

So look at that picture, and think about that kid, and imagine yourself shooting him. And see if you don't think the police on the scene shouldn't have done something differently.

[Lurker]

“Oh wow, you actually think they were shooting at the child.”

No, Then it would be Murder in either the 1st or 2nd Degree. Reckless indifference, what the cop showed here, makes it Manslaughter.

Here are the facts:

They shot at an unarmed woman and managed to kill her. At least one negligently fired bullet killed an innocent child behind the unarmed dead woman.

The payouts for wrongful deaths are going to be in the millions.

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[Bogey78O]

Alright, let me try explaining this to you.

Are you aware that guns do not dissolve minutes after they’re produced? Are you aware of this?

Do you understand how it’s reasonable to think someone is armed when minutes earlier they put a gun in your face and threatened to kill you with it?

Are you aware that cops do not possess psychic powers? Are you aware of that? That a nonpsychic person may not know that somone who they saw minutes earlier with a gun may have tossed it?

The cops absolutely had reason to believe she was armed. You’re doing a logically bereft tactic of taking knowledge acquired àfter an incident and asserting everyone should have known it throughout. You’re using your hindsight to Monday morning quarterback what professionals should have done when you don’t know a single thing about how to do their job to begin with.

You’re pulling a Michael Brown supporter tactic here.

I love this “lack of training line”. It’s like the slob on the couch yelling at the tv how Drew Brees doesnt know what he’s doing. Almost never said by someone who is an expert in the field being discussed.

[jhastey]

Bogey78O - The cops in this case recklessly opened fire at the front door of a trailer home in a densely populated trailer park. Regardless of whether or not the perp had a gun (which she didn’t), opening fire into a home without regard to those innocent civilians inside is a no-no except in the most extreme circumstances - which this situation DID NOT meet.
Now this happened in Texas, just 40 miles or so from me and I can tell you that local mood is one of outrage at the cops.
Texas Rangers are now investigating the shooting.
The Sheriff’s Office has released the names of all 4 cops involved in the shooting (not the wisest move if you ask me), so this may soon become a moot point.

[freeandfreezing]

Apparently you can't answer a simple question. Do you really think anyone who was actually involved is happy with the results of that particular day at work? You seem to think what happened is fine, justified, etc., etc. But I'm pretty sure that they guys who were there doing the shooting aren't feeling the same way. I'm pretty sure they'll see that little kids face for the rest of their lives, and struggle to get over that day.

But in your mind nobody needs to improve their tactics, or learn more because they are already experts. Why don't you call up the guy who shot and killed a first grader and ask him if he feels he is an expert now.

[Bogey78O]

Of course they’re not happy!

Are you freaking kidding me? You think that’s the issue?

The issue here is it’s not their fault.

[bitterohiogunclinger]

Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply to a peace officer of this state or another state, or of a local unit of government of this state or another state, or of the United States, performing his or her duties as a peace officer.

[Lurker]

“Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply to a peace officer of this state or another state, or of a local unit of government of this state or another state, or of the United States, performing his or her duties as a peace officer.”

Their duties do not include shooting unarmed women and children.

Nice try.

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