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The Real Reason Democrats Hate Losing the State and Local Tax Deduction
Townhall.com ^ | Nov 29, 2017 | Bob Barr

Posted on 11/28/2017 9:39:50 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom

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Spending at all levels indeed remains a problem, as does the unwillingness of people in high tax states to face up to the fact that they are passing their costs on to the rest of the country. The lamentations of FReepers every time I post an article about the new tax plan attests to that.
1 posted on 11/28/2017 9:39:50 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

My family would save over 25% on federal taxes with the two calculators I used.

It appears a large number of two income families up to and over $160,000 would do likewise.


2 posted on 11/28/2017 9:44:52 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

I’m in CA and stuck with high SALT.


3 posted on 11/28/2017 9:45:55 PM PST by umgud
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To a lot of Freepers the definition of a great politician is someone who successfully lowers taxes.

But how easy is that? It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Everyone, even liberals (although they won't admit it), want their taxes lowered.

A truly great politician is one who can regularly balance budgets... especially if those budgets are flat or trending downward. Now that's a difficult feat worthy of true praise and support.

4 posted on 11/28/2017 9:47:41 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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I’m in CA and stuck with high SALT.

We looked a retiring to Florida because it is a "low tax state" and the property taxes were so outrageous we quickly discarded the idea. My first wife was a very good accountant and she told me good accountants retire to Alabama. I don't know if that's changed over the years but it's something to investigate if you find yourself wanting to relocate.

5 posted on 11/28/2017 9:50:15 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

Some here at FR think that the rest of the country somehow needs to protect them from living in a dem run state

Hope your flame suit is on


6 posted on 11/28/2017 9:50:39 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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There are other places to live

California wasn’t always a high tax state


7 posted on 11/28/2017 9:52:18 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: umgud

I’m in CA and stuck with high SALT.


Here in Washington state, high SALT. Mostly on the property tax and about 80 percent or so of the pie chart on the property tax goes to the skoolz.


8 posted on 11/28/2017 9:53:05 PM PST by angry elephant (My MAGA cap is from a rally in Washingon state in May 2016)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

This idea for reforming the tax code is freaking brilliant.

Effective subsidization of state and local taxes really, really, in my view skews the whole relationship between the states and the federal government.

Can’t understand why the real conservatives don’t understand this.


9 posted on 11/28/2017 9:56:37 PM PST by Sam_Damon
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Just remember that we the opressed in Dem high tax states voted for #MAGA for relief. If we are taxed even higher...do not expect a good result!
Just cut to the chase and reduce taxes for ALL! They have created a Solomon split the baby situation... a false dichotomy to subterfuge tax reform and true tax cuts. This is the RINO aholes fast at work to block any and all change.


10 posted on 11/28/2017 10:00:20 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Lord, forgive us our sins and bring us to everlasting life.)
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”Can’t understand why the real conservatives don’t understand this.”

I think most do, but unfortunately they are quick to jettison their “principles” the moment they become personally inconvenient. That type of behavior is precisely why the country has been on such a long-term downward slide. Everyone talks a good game, but when the chips are down there’s little to no real commitment.

11 posted on 11/28/2017 10:04:42 PM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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... and there it is. It depends on whose ox in being gored.

Oh, and in before Mariner.


12 posted on 11/28/2017 10:12:53 PM PST by sparklite2 (I hereby designate the ongoing kerfuffle Diddle-Gate.)
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To: Sam_Damon

How does a state that receives more from the government than their tax payers pay, subsidize a state whose tax payers pay more than their state receives?


13 posted on 11/28/2017 10:22:44 PM PST by Yogafist (Smith Storme)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

This is an instructive article. These states that have this bogus deduction, are getting away with spending other peoples money.


14 posted on 11/28/2017 10:25:48 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: MeganC

ping


15 posted on 11/28/2017 10:28:07 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

If they cut spending to any useful extent first, consumer spending, markets, jobs, then revenues will go down. They don’t want to start a vicious cycle.

So they want to cut taxes and take other measures to rev up the economy a little more, then cut spending. Then, they can safely raise interest rates. Otherwise, with the increasing pile of debt, bonds will get even more risky (also a way to start a vicious cycle).

Remember that the Fed raised the rate a few months ago, and the dollar started to fall instead of going up again. That was a warning sign that the previous paradigm was about to fail in a big way.


16 posted on 11/28/2017 10:39:20 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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well, its something about a long standing tax planning tool that is now being yanked out from under us...

many of us are in our forever homes, and have lived many years in one house, but now, I can just forget about deducting the property tax because its a "states right" issue?...

so now I get to get taxed on a tax?....

and now we need to trust the govt not to hike the tax rates to increase revenue in a year or two?...

if they steal our deductions, they are never ever coming back....

17 posted on 11/28/2017 10:46:21 PM PST by cherry
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

The one thing you fail to mention about this passing the costs farce is those very same people from those states such as California, New York, New Jersey also shelter the largest tax burdens at THE FEDERAL level. So using your argument of “supplementing” which is liberal code word for it is the government’s money then these very same states are supplementing the rest of the country anyway by paying the majority of federal taxes.

The tax plan is simply garbage, period end of story


18 posted on 11/28/2017 10:48:02 PM PST by Jarhead9297
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

This is a good argument, but it’s still going to be painful to have to bear that burden.


19 posted on 11/28/2017 11:04:15 PM PST by nickcarraway
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"these very same states are supplementing the rest of the country anyway by paying the majority of federal taxes."

That is a fallacy which has been debunked.

https://thefederalist.com/2017/11/17/red-states-tax-takers-blue-states-tax-makers/

20 posted on 11/28/2017 11:37:22 PM PST by JayGalt (Let Trump Be Trump)
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