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The Stupid Party Gets Smart
Townhall.com ^ | Nov 21, 2017 | Stephen Moore

Posted on 11/20/2017 10:35:00 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom

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A lot of FReepers have been crying over the property tax provision also, which shows how hard it will be to take away what people consider to be entitlements.
1 posted on 11/20/2017 10:35:00 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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Curious how this ends given McCain, Corkhead, Collins, and the two or three others enjoying all the camera attention.


2 posted on 11/20/2017 10:44:35 PM PST by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public education & academia= the farm team for more Marxists coming, infinitum.)
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And state and local taxes. Taxing money that I paid in taxes is double taxation. That money is gone, why is the federal government taxing money that I already paid in taxes?


3 posted on 11/20/2017 10:53:43 PM PST by aquila48
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4 posted on 11/20/2017 11:10:10 PM PST by Bobalu (The NFL, Watching their demise is more fun than watching their games.)
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That money is gone, why is the federal government taxing money that I already paid in taxes?

That's a chicken and egg statement. As in:

That money is gone, why is the state government taxing money that I already paid in taxes to the feds? Both want your money, but the feds get first dibs across the nation. States jumped on the bandwagon to steal more from you.

5 posted on 11/20/2017 11:17:10 PM PST by roadcat
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

The term “entitlements” in reference to taxes is liberal code speak for the belief that any money returned to the tax payer always belonged to the Government because they know how best to use that money


6 posted on 11/20/2017 11:46:59 PM PST by Jarhead9297
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Wrong! The feds should have no say in my paycheck but yet they do. Some here would rather the Fed leviathan continue to grow through the continued theft of my paycheck vs. more direct control at the state level. Why do we have socialist tax brackets to begin with? How about we work to FURTHER reduce the Fed tax to almost nothing, and kill their spending and let the electors at the state level decide what should be paid locally?


7 posted on 11/20/2017 11:50:50 PM PST by Jarhead9297
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I just love this.................

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVogLdbfOfQ

8 posted on 11/21/2017 12:00:55 AM PST by Osage Orange (Watch your six.)
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How about working in your own state to reduce the tax burden? Get them to cut spending instead. You have a lot more control over that and this new tax bill gives you an incentive to do something about it.
The Feds tax income. Your state taxes property, which you pay from your income. Sounds like neither is double taxing you or both are depending on who you choose to blame.


9 posted on 11/21/2017 12:07:36 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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Republicans have instead suddenly gotten very smart on the "pay fors" in their tax bill.

Curious how "revenue neutral" applies *only* to tax relief. So if Peter gets a cut, Paul gets an increase....

Such rank hypocrisy! If revenue neutrality were really a concern, then the whole concept of base-line budgeting (automatic annual spending increases in government programs) would be out the window.

No wonder why Congress has an approval rating lower than even the MSM. What a bunch of *******!

10 posted on 11/21/2017 12:15:57 AM PST by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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My bet is that the Senate will never take a vote on tax cuts/reform. Given the personal animosity in the Senate against the President and Yertle’s foot dragging, I do not see a path to 51 votes.


11 posted on 11/21/2017 12:19:20 AM PST by buckalfa (Slip sliding away towards senility.)
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My state isnt at all bad. In fact it’s chum food compared to the fedzilla. However taking away from me just this small deduction is yet another way that we the US taxpayer gets bent over and continues to feed the Fed piggy. When was the last time anyone heard, “you know what we spend too damn much and steal too damn much from the taxpayers.”

Because of the crippling fed tax policy I look for any legal way possible to steal back my money from Uncle Sam. States are not the problem, the problem is with the feds and anyone thinking the elimination of a “tax entitlement” is akin to a voluntary mutually beneficial monetary transaction for the greater good.


12 posted on 11/21/2017 12:25:11 AM PST by Jarhead9297
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How about we work to FURTHER reduce the Fed tax to almost nothing, and kill their spending and let the electors at the state level decide what should be paid locally?

No, not wrong. It's still a chicken and egg argument. If you truly believe the public can decide how our tax dollars are spent, I have a bridge to sell you. I live in California, and have a nutty governor and state legislators who steal my tax dollars and spend on many things I disagree on. In California, many of us have no direct control over state spending. What we all need is a flat tax, and none of these stupid games of shuffling funds around and continually raising the combined tax load on workers.

13 posted on 11/21/2017 12:44:21 AM PST by roadcat
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I’m with you on flat tax all the way!!

Sorry about your luck in Kalifornia my friend. There is no hope in that state and truly that does suck badly


14 posted on 11/21/2017 12:47:17 AM PST by Jarhead9297
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So your state isn’t bad. Some states are horrible. So why wouldn’t someone who lives in a state that only gets to claim a small deduction on their Federal taxes be upset that someone else gets to take a much larger deduction when it’s all coming from the same pot, your income? If the deduction is eliminated isn’t that an equalizer when it comes to Federal taxes?


15 posted on 11/21/2017 1:55:12 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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Nonsense.

Your greedy State is double taxing you.

States do not need 13% of your income.

You need a State tax revolt or move.


16 posted on 11/21/2017 2:02:45 AM PST by TheNext
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I'm paying $18,000 in property taxes—and have a $70,000 "IRS income" reported in 2015.

Will my new proposed tax bracket compensate for the loss of this write-off?

17 posted on 11/21/2017 2:12:56 AM PST by Does so (McAuliffe's Charlottesville...and...The Walter Duranty Press"...)
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Where are the government cuts?


18 posted on 11/21/2017 2:26:51 AM PST by ballplayer (hvexx NKK c bmytit II iyijjhihhiyyiyiyi it iyiiy II i hi jiihi ty yhiiyihiijhijjyjiyjiiijyuiiijihyii)
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The Federal Government gets to tax your income because of the 16th amendment to the Constitution:
“The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.”


19 posted on 11/21/2017 3:05:08 AM PST by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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I tire of article’s about Republican leadership where they’re labeled as “weak kneed”,”not holding to their principals”, “loser party”. When the fact is they’re SOCIALISTS, all of them and support most of what Democrats want.


20 posted on 11/21/2017 3:35:46 AM PST by stockpirate (The GOPe and socialist friends do not fear Americans)
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