Posted on 11/12/2017 4:40:57 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
I'm pleased to see you return to the forum. I wish you would give us your presence here, even if only on the Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread.
I, and others, have got your six.
Thanks.
Wow Rod, that sounds like something I'd say.
That type of argument might work in your neighborhood, but not in mine. Debates are won with facts, and so far you have you shown no grasp of reality, no decency, nor any ability to debate. So if you continue to plasterboard the site with lies, expect to be called on them.
But you’re lumping them all together and that’s unfair.
Above Top Secret, Jeff Rense, etc., are kooky sites without anything to back them up and easily shredded logically.
HOWEVER, Larry’s theory is reasonable and has some merit to it, even without a lot of evidence.
I’m fascinated and willing to listen.
I am very much against wild conspiracy theories. Larry’s theory, which, incidentally, is not his alone, is NOT wild.
The complexity of keeping people from blabbing or even discretely (in their opinion) talking with others is too much. Any conspiracy theory that involves hundreds or thousands of people is pretty much bunk, like fake moon landings or JFK’s assassination.
As Ben Franklin once said, the only way to keep a secret is to not tell anyone.
STILL, why doesn’t the President do something about Mueller? At least he could bring up all the evidence we know to show how Mueller is compromised, and good points about the cost and the unlimited scope. Certainly he has the right to bring these points out in public. But he hasn’t.
I do think something else is going on. How MUCH is going on is anyone’s guess.
Like I said, show me.
Yes it is, starting with Trump's very own comments, over and over, especially those yesterday. And Mueller has such huge conflicts of interest, anyone that wanted to trust him to supposedly investigate the Clintons again, much less uranium transfers to Russia that he was directly involved in, haven't clearly thought the theory out very significantly.
STILL, why doesn’t the President do something about Mueller?
Obviously because Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell have said he better not do anything about it, and they control the majority of the votes in the House and the Senate. All it would take is a few Republicans to join the anxious Democrats and Trump will be impeached.
At least he could bring up all the evidence we know to show how Mueller is compromised
The impeachment arrow they have pointed at Trump is for Obstruction of Justice. If he personally starts attacking Mueller, he is actually making that case for them. That's why he is now refusing to even mention Mueller by name, because he's already been warned that any interference with the investigation would be viewed as obstruction.
The whole theory appears to be a liberal psyop, designed by someone other than LS, as you said, to buy Mueller some much needed credibility, and time to start the trials against Trump's former campaign manager, then more from there.
If you truly want to help Trump, you should be fighting to force Paul Ryan to bring the Gaetz bill to the House floor for a vote, for a completely new and separate Special Counsel to investigate Clinton, and Mueller, and Rosenstein, based on the FBI informant and his lawyer who says he has the goods they conspired to sale uranium to Russia.
You would NOT be fighting for Mueller and Rosenstien to supposedly investigate Clinton, again, since the accusation is they were part of the Clinton crime foundation themselves.
This is the crux of the disagreement between the two sides here, in my opinion. Either you want Congress to appoint a new and verifiably independent special counsel to investigate Clinton AND Mueller, or you think Mueller is a hero, and this time he will actually take the Clintons down.
Easy choice, don't you think?
So why would Trump trust him to do the independent council job if he didn't already have a pretty fair idea of what the guy was going to do?
If you don't realize by now That Trump most likely has tons of stuff on Mueller that keeps him straight,more or less, than you don't know how the game is played.
Very little of what has been going on for some time now is verifiable.The best we can do is use the info, intel we have and try and figure out what is going on and few do it better than the people on this thread. Without your help I might add.
So keep the hell away from here and you will be just fine. by the way I looked at some of your posts and your entire history is mostly controversial complaining about one thing or another.
Take it somewhere else.
And is that a fact, or just another "accusation"?
First quote of yours I've seen that showed any sense of reason. Unfortunately, it was only a small portion of your post, and was quickly overcome with more profanity and endless insults.
Keep reading that little quote of the truth you finally posted, over and over, and try to commit yourself to the truth when you post from now on. We'll all be better for it, even though it may not give you the same rush.
Well, what you are saying NOW is quite different from what you started off with, FRiend.
I’m glad you’re now attacking ideas, not people.
It’s an accusation, which is why I listed it as such, did I not?
So are these, ad that is hardly a complete list, but they look like they’ve got more basis in fact than the theory that Mueller is completely trustworthy just because a few Senators say so:
http://www.wnd.com/2017/08/the-8-dirtiest-scandals-of-robert-mueller-no-one-is-talking-about/
Just stay away numnuts. We don’t need your kind of aggravation and we sure don’t need your stupid comments on a thread you know nothing about.
I've been making those same points for weeks, yet all I have gotten in response is more baseless conspiracy theories that are based on the original baseless theory, meaning the chances of them being true are then off by 2 orders of magnitude.
So, are you going to help us unite in the name of a new and verifiably independent special counsel?
Or do you believe the claim that Mueller and Rosenstein are unquestionably beyond reproach, and should just be able to run the investigation again, or just kill it off completely, as they seem to be doing now?
I don't know that he's actually "trustworthy" and certainly not "because some Senators say so". I'm of the belief that, because of his predicament, that he may be, ahem..."very cooperative".
He may be holding a whole lot of evidence, both damning and exculpatory, and either unload it, or lose it...depending on what happens to him.
And as I've said repeatedly, you don't allow criminals to run criminal investigations, especially not investigations of things they were personally involved in, or in investigations they are believed to have falsified before. It would be much too easy for them to cover up their own criminality, if not the criminality of others, by being in charge of it again.
Instead, you charge them, then get them to spill their guts on what they know, if they want any leniency. Then you give whatever they said to a new and trustworthy investigator, to follow up on, and question them again if necessary in the future.
Which of those two options should be preferred, if you wanted to start a new investigation, do you think?
Who's going to charge him....Sessions?
Could still happen.
I’ve covered this before endlessly, including most of it again on this thread, but here it is just for you.
According to Sessions’ testimony to Senator Chuck Grassley before the Senate Intelligence Committee, he is recused from any possible investigations of the Clintons, or the uranium transfers to Russia. Sessions said any decision on this would be left up to Deputy AG Rosenstein, despite Grassley’s concern that Rosenstein is potentially implicated in the uranium scandal, and should be recused as well.
This is further corroborated by the statements of Congressman Matt Gaetz, to the press and on the Hannity radio show, whereby he claims that Sessions actually got up and walked out of a meeting between Sessions and Gaetz and the Freedom Caucus, and said any questions would have to be addressed to Rosenstein. Per Gaetz, Rosenstein has so far refused to respond to any of their inquiries.
That has led Gaetz and a few other Congressmen like Louie Ghomert to but forth a bill asking for a new and separate Special Counsel to investigate the Clintons, independent of Mueller and Rosenstein, since they are tainted by previous involvement.
Speaker Ryan is so far refusing to bring that bill to the floor for a vote. THIS is what we should be fighting for, together - a new and separate investigation of the Clintons, to include a review of the previous investigation(s) of her done by Mueller and Rosenstein, that appear to have been corrupt. NOT just handing it all back to Mueller and Rosenstein, again, for all the reasons already stated, and others as well.
Hopefully you got it that time. If not let me know.
So sorry , Bray. May your brother rest in peace, and observe “what fools those mortals be.”
Stop underestimating Trump.If we know McCabe, Rosenstein and Mueller are all corrupt as sin and part of the deep state what makes you think Trump doesn't know as well. Believe it or not there are people that are a hell of a lot smarter than you.!
We never needed a special council and once again for you slo-types, if we know that, Trump knows that. So if he is OK with Mueller being the one than "he has a reason"! Stop trying to second guess the President of the U.S. who is one hell of a lot smarter than you.
Sharyll’s book, “The Smear: How Shady Political Operatives and Fake News Control What You See, What You Think, and How You Vote” is TERRIFIC, and should be read by all.
She does a great job. As I said before it’s so refreshing to see a true, for real, fair and balanced journalist in action.
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