Posted on 09/04/2017 10:18:33 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
This was not an ER matter. It involved a burn unit patient. No doctor is going to get in trouble over this. And a nurse most certainly can refuse to carry out an illegal or unethical request.
They didn’t want to get shot. If any one would have tried to help, the cop might have felt threatened and pulled his gun.
From WHOM?
I agree that a COP cannot order this on his own, but still, the DOCTOR is in charge.
From what we know, and I use that term loosely, there is a distinct absence of any "doctor's orders" here.
Again, I'm struck by the absence of the so-called doctor. Once I learn of his absence, and his reason why, I'm still of the opinion that he was derelict.
As a physician, I can tell you that nobody bosses me, nor my staff around.
I cannot do my job if some interloper is throwing his "supposed" weight around.
As you are clearly a seasoned ER physician, and FMCSA expert, I have to ask how you would respond to an unconscious patient.
Regardless of cause, how do you personally take care of a MVA patient?
Because the defective didn’t have a warrant, the patient was not under arrest, and had not given consent.
Me: And a nurse most certainly can refuse to carry out an illegal or unethical request.
boop: From WHOM?
Me: Anyone.
boop: I agree that a COP cannot order this on his own, but still, the DOCTOR is in charge.
Me: The cop did try to order it on his own and she refused. It’s that simple. What does a doctor or doctor’s order -or lack thereof- have to do with a nurse’s refusal to carry out an illegal or unethical act requested by a cop? Nothing. It’s a red herring that you are bringing to the discussion.
boop: As you are clearly a seasoned ER physician, and FMCSA expert, I have to ask how you would respond to an unconscious patient.
Me: Treat them with state of the art medical care, including alcohol and drug tests if there were altered mental status.
Again, that is a MEDICAL decision, not a legal one. And a nurse would be within her rights to refuse an illegal or unethical order from the doctor or anyone else.
I made the same point kast week when thus story broke.
But apparently a COP is obliged to carry out an illegal order from his superior.
And... since he is unconscious, I guess there would be altered mental status:)
And you have been right ever since.
Apparently you are NOT a doctor.
Some layman cannot come into the ER and give medical orders.
Whoever the doctor was dropped the ball.
IDK who you think you are, you don't come into an ER and start giving doctors orders.
I invite you to try and see what happens.
That's real groovy if you "feel" something is going on that you as a layman doesn't like.
Doctors are the ones who write and verbally give orders to his staff.
Are you going to take responsibility for the care of the patient?
Again, no.
It is fully on the doctor's orders.
Whoever the guy was he f'd up.
And when it all comes out in the wash, HE will be responsible.
I don't think you have any concept of what a doctor does, nor what his medico-legal responsibilities are.
This a-hole is on the hook.
Not the nurse, the doctor.
HE is the one who will pay, and believe me he will.
If a nurse disobeyed an order from the doctor, she better be ready to explain herself.
You are off the wall if you think a doctor is going to catch any heat over this. I get that the ER doctor is in charge of the ER, but this was a burn unit patient and it was not a medical issue.
It was an administrative issue between the hospital and SLCPD. That’s why she was on the the phone to her boss, who I believe was an administrator.
A totally unwarranted comment. There are bad police officers just like their are bad people in other professions. Don’t paint all “Cops” with the same brush. Police officers put their lives on the line for us every single day. They’ve got a tough job to do, and most do it extremely well. We should all be thankful for - The Thin Blue Line.
Let me know when cops erase that “Blue Line” and join the rest of us Americans.
Your Blue Line has been put under restrictions by the hospital. That means they have zero trust in an entire PD of a medium size city. Doesn’t speak well for the Blue Line, does it =>
Utah hospital to cops: Stay away from our nurses
The University of Utah Hospital, where a nurse was manhandled and arrested by police as she protected the legal rights of a patient, has imposed new restrictions on law enforcement, including barring officers from patient-care areas and from direct contact with nurses.
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