A New Report Raises Big Questions About Last Year’s DNC Hack

The Nation ^ | 8/9/2017 | Patrick Lawrence

[thinden]

thanx for posting this important information

[outinyellowdogcountry]

That’s what it sounds like. Do you think that why Aaron Carter is concerned for his own safety?

[libstripper]

It's easy to see why the Nation, a prog. magazine, would publish this article. A lot of Berners are so infuriated over the Witch allegedly stealing the nomination from Bernie that a number of them even have a class action pending against the DNC and others.

Seth Rich apparently was a Berner who was deeply angered by how the Witch and DWS were stealing the nomination. He reacted by leaking the subject emails, something that dovetails with the transfer rates noted in this article. Thus, by ascribing the revelations to a leak, this article advances the case that Rich was assassinated in retaliation for leaking the emails. That, in turn, advances the Berners' cause for discrediting the Witch and DNC.

Remember, the left can be as internally vicious as it is externally vicious, as the Bolsheviks were in their liquidation of the Menshiviks.

[HangThemHigh]

"One nit to pick. Transfer rate is in bits per second (bps) vice bytes per second."

1976 megabytes in 87 s is indeed 22.71 megabytes/sec. Do you think the units used casts doubts on the validity or what?

As an engineer, I'm used to dealing with odd units but as a nonIT type, I don't quite follow your objection.

[Brilliant]

Another very interesting article:

“Why Some U.S. Ex-Spies Don’t Buy the Russia Story”

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-10/why-some-u-s-ex-spies-don-t-buy-the-russia-story

Unfortunately, it’s on Bloomberg, so I can’t post it. But it says that at least one of the hacks had to be an inside job because of the download speed that was used. It could not have been done via the web, and more likely with a thumb drive.

[rjsimmon]

As an engineer, I'm used to dealing with odd units but as a nonIT type, I don't quite follow your objection.

I am an IT Engineer. They simply used an incorrect phrase. The author was writing this as a supposed expert and I indicated that it was a small nit.

[outinyellowdogcountry]

Do you think the speed issue is valid?

[Ray76]

That The Nation printed this is interesting.

[stylin19a]

thanks.
copy\paste from the NYC PC to the thumb drive.
Someone takes out the thumb drive.

When I use Microsoft Remote Access to my home P.C., whatever I do regardless of where i am at, timestamp is from my home PC.

Where would meta data show something different ? Thumb drive ? that would be gone.

[Svartalfiar]

When I asked Edward Loomis, a 90 percent man, about the 10 percent he held out, he replied, “I’ve looked at the work and it shows there was no Russian hack. But I didn’t do the work. That’s the 10 percent. I’m a scientist.”

I like this guy.

[Svartalfiar]

One nit to pick. Transfer rate is in bits per second (bps) vice bytes per second.

Transfer rate is in whatever units you want to use. 22.7 MB/s is the same as 182 Mb/s.

[Magnatron]

"Spam this to that bundle of sticks Drudge. Maybe he’ll get off his ass..."

It's really surprising how Drudge has taken a pass on all of this. The former headline-maker has acted like this stuff doesn't even exist. I don't know if maybe he just has some assistant managing his page now and doesn't care, or if he's just decided to be nothing more than the online Weekly World News with a couple of mundane news stories mixed in.

Maybe if there was a chubby girl giving a blowjob in the story, perhaps he'd perk up...

[Svartalfiar]

Fiber or FIOS? Hell, there are decades old copper services that well exceeded 25mB/s. They talk like 2016 is ancient history too. *head scratch* Even your average high-end residential ISPs which tend to offer asynchronous services will still let you download much faster then that. So I could maybe buy the hypothesis that the speeds were close to USB2.0 but not that it was too fast for readily available internet speeds.

Many businesses, especially ones that aren't major IT users, don't have speeds like that. They buy the cheapest internet possible because they only need it for email.

But the big thing I don't get with this story is why are they talking about download speed? The big point should be upload speed. Most internet packages (residential or commercial) generally have a much lower upload bandwidth than down. Newer fiber providers don't do this, but it used to be a 20Mb connection would only have maybe 5Mb up. Most packages were 2-8x slower on the upstream connection versus the advertised number, the downstream. So the big thing would be, is how fast could the DNC internet package have uploaded the files? When I download stuff, Steam can hit 40+ MB/s, because they upload a LOT, and have the infrastructure and connection to hit those numbers. But other sites might only hit 1-2 Mb/s, because they don't have much stuff to download. It's not my connection, it's the content providers'.

[Cboldt]

A number of file transfer tools preserve timestamp; and making things a little more complex, some filesystems have multiple timestamps on files (create, modify, access).

In order to have confidence in the timestamps as an analytical tool, one would have to know or assume the tools and means used to effect the transfer, copy, and compress operations.

The most common effect is the one you describe - timestamps reflect the time the copy is made. Timestamps are usually preserved (not updated) when a file is copied/compressed into an archive. Timestamps are generally preserved by backup software too.

I often use "wget" to get remote files. "By default, when a file is downloaded, its timestamps are set to match those from the remote file." That is what I would call preserving the original timestamp in the copy.

I also use "scp" which is a sort of remote copy. By default, "scp" updates file timestamps to the time the copy operation is performed.

Also consider that "archive before transfer" can give different results from "archive after transfer," and the possibility of transferring (copying) files over a local network; from a host to a destination machine.

[rjsimmon]

Do you think the speed issue is valid?

If they are using fiber optics, certainly.

[z3n]

Of course it depends on the type, but most business do not use their internet just for email. A lot of traffic is two way and many businesses use cloud based services, which include email (like office365), file/project collaboration, data backups, and even IP based telecommunications. It’s really not hard to choke a small to moderate bandwidth connection with multiple users online and making calls, which doesn’t bother to take into account browsing, or the fact that many businesses attach a wifi connection which even if used only by employee devices can and isn’t public can hunk into that pipe too. If your IT guy/dept has moderately austere policies, the firewall will be blocking all the favorite music and video app/browser streaming services. lol

[Albion Wilde]

VIPS = Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

Here is an earlier article on this topic from ZeroHedge, on July 24:

NSA Officials and Computer Expert: Forensic Evidence Proves DNC Emails Were LEAKED, Not Hacked

[Albion Wilde]

Wikipedia summary:

William Binney (U.S. intelligence official)
Former U.S. intelligence official and cryptoanalyst; whistleblower
William Edward Binney is a former highly placed intelligence official with the United States National Security Agency (NSA) turned whistleblower who resigned on October 31, 2001, after more than 30 years with the agency. He was a high-profile critic of his former employers during the George W. Bush administration.Binney continues to speak out during Barack Obama's presidency about the NSA's data collection policies, and continues to give interviews in the media regarding his experiences and his views on interception of communication of American citizens by governmental agencies. In a legal case, Binney declared in an affidavit that the NSA is acting in deliberate violation of the U.S. Constitution.

[Albion Wilde]

Answered prayer? It is all going to come out.

[Noamie]

“So you doubt the veracity of the forensic experts in the story?”

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Which ones? The anonymous “expert” sources mentioned have 0 provable credibility. We can’t even prove they exist; let alone that they know anything regarding electronic forensics.

There is zero, actual - verifiable - facts listed in this progressive-linked “article.” The author doesn’t even know bits from bytes? C’mon.

I would like for it to be true, but that is irrelevant.

Critical thinking has died.