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Tesla Model 3 early reviews: swoons, sticker shock
San Jose Mercury ^ | July 31, 2017 | Louis Hansen

Posted on 07/31/2017 7:41:10 PM PDT by artichokegrower

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To: artichokegrower
Can buy a Toyota Camry for $23,000. Buy a lot of gasoline for $26,000.

Sure, but I don't think this car is meant to compete with a Camry. This is meant to be a competitor for the Mercedes C-class, the BMW 3 series and the Audi A4. It's competitive with the prices of those cars, it's more spacious than those cars (and has a nice interior), it features bleeding-edge self-driving technology more advanced than those manufacturers currently offer and it's got OTA updates, which every car-maker will soon have.

On the negative side is the limited driving range and lengthy recharge/refuel times which all electric cars suffer from.
21 posted on 07/31/2017 8:37:10 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I haven’t really kept up with sports cars for nearly 50 years but got a free subscription to Car & Driver and also Road & Track. I was absolutely amazed how fast many cars are now.

Tesla is one of the fastest to 60. That is a big thing to many drivers.


22 posted on 07/31/2017 8:49:43 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: artichokegrower

Is there a betting pool on how long before the first one catches fire?

If so, I’m putting down 20 on 7 days, seven hours and seven minutes.


23 posted on 07/31/2017 8:50:05 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I think Tesla charging stations are kind of proprietary because they charge faster than other EV’s. While I hear they’ll technically work on other cars at lower rates, they don’t want to clog up their stations with slow charging cars, which is kind of understandable. It’d piss me off if every time I try to gas up I’m waiting behind some schlub trying to fill up through some straw-sized fuel nozzle.

Unfortunately, I can see this EV market playing out like Apple vs Android with Apple/Tesla trying to crowd out the competition with proprietary standards.


24 posted on 07/31/2017 8:56:05 PM PDT by MountainWalker
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To: artichokegrower

I never thought they’d get as far with the technology in my lifetime as they’ve gotten. I suppose when they can do a nine-second quarter mile and 0-60 in two seconds, I’ll be ready to buy one. BUT, I’ll have to attach a playing card to the spokes with a clothes pin because that whiny electric motor sound is just... no.


25 posted on 07/31/2017 8:59:12 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Secret Agent Man

My co-worker gave me a Samsung Note 4 battery to hold today. It was not flat, it was expanding. It was not charging anymore. It is a small battery compared to a car like the Tesla. Imagine the results of a battery failure. You can find battery fires on youtube to see how big even small battery fires are.


26 posted on 07/31/2017 9:01:03 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: adorno

There’s no sticker shock. Been clear from the introduction that early prices would be $40-50k for anything better than the bare base stock model, which few would want when looking at what a little upgrade would do. Nobody is surprised.


27 posted on 07/31/2017 9:02:17 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: neverevergiveup
At this point in my life, my fantasy is to buy some land (at least a couple hundred acres with some water on it), and have old but reliable vehicles I can work on in my barn (I was born in and have spent most of my life in cities).

Great defense against the inevitable EMP attack.

28 posted on 07/31/2017 9:03:51 PM PDT by montag813 (ue)
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To: artichokegrower

$26k gas gets you about 200,000 miles, so the T3 about breaks even with the Camry. Having driven both a Camry and a Leaf, I’ll take the T3.


29 posted on 07/31/2017 9:05:41 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: McGavin999

Battery costs less than parts+labor on comparable life of a gas powered car.


30 posted on 07/31/2017 9:06:54 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: MountainWalker
"However, the break-even horizon over her current car for a $33,000 Volt would be, er, about 14 years."

That sounds like just about the same amount of time it takes solar panels to pay for themselves.

31 posted on 07/31/2017 9:07:37 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: Gay State Conservative

It’s not a solution to everyone. Your needs may vary.

For someone wanting a nice commuter car with a ~100 mile daily round trip, and with easy access to a gasoline car for occasional longer trips (say, an SUV), it’s nice to have such a nice option that’s “topped off” every morning for darn near free. Great acceleration, responsive, clean, roomy, etc.


32 posted on 07/31/2017 9:10:42 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: MountainWalker
The Chevy Volt makes a little more sense as the electric range is about 48 miles before the backup gasoline engine kicks in and it runs like a regular hybrid.

The Chevy Volt makes no sense at all to me. I can sneeze and do 48 miles, not much mileage at all to justify an electric. A true hybrid is a much better alternative. My daughter drives an Altima Hybrid which gets 700 miles to the tank, and has quick all-around acceleration that is surprising, unlike the Prius which is slower. (The Altima uses Prius hybrid technology but with a Nissan powerplant.) Electric cars are still not ready for prime time, too many negative issues to deal with. Regular hybrids are the way to go.

33 posted on 07/31/2017 9:11:45 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: ctdonath2

I advised my Daughter and Son-in-Law to buy a Toyota Corolla as their first car. They did so and it lasted them almost 8 trouble free miles.

By that time they could afford a top of the line Dodge Diesel one ton pickup and a Chrysler SUV of some type. My Daughter drives the SUV with the kids but the pickup will also hold them all.


34 posted on 07/31/2017 9:12:21 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

This is the first few off the line, built with desirable upgrades like 50% bigger battery, upgraded interior, etc. Easy to bump the price by $15k via optional extras.


35 posted on 07/31/2017 9:12:58 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: hal ogen

Don’t worry, it’s been repaid - either directly with interest, or indirectly by related taxes.


36 posted on 07/31/2017 9:14:49 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: MountainWalker

I had a Leaf (plus SUV) for two years. Worked out very nicely.


37 posted on 07/31/2017 9:16:06 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (It's not "white privilege", it's "Puritan work ethic". Behavior begets consequences.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

What??? You don’t need some more panache, some more “cool” factor? Everybody needs that and it is priceless.


38 posted on 07/31/2017 9:18:38 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Vince Ferrer

Same in Denmark...subsidies disappeared and so did Tesla sales.
Brown is proposing to slam the poor and middle class with $3 BILLION of taxes so the rich can have their sexy play toys.


39 posted on 07/31/2017 9:19:35 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: artichokegrower

Rush Limbaugh/Shanklin parody of Elvis—”In the Ghetto” fits in this topic.


40 posted on 07/31/2017 9:20:49 PM PDT by Mark (Celebrities... is there anything they do not know? -Homer Simpson)
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