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Vanity - Mueller, Back in the Box
July 23, 2017 | cboldt

Posted on 07/23/2017 9:31:27 AM PDT by Cboldt

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To: Helicondelta

Sessions should start by firing Rod for the appearance of collusion with Mueller.


81 posted on 07/23/2017 1:00:33 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: Ray76



82 posted on 07/23/2017 1:00:49 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Ray76
It has been reported that Mueller has hired 15 attorneys. NPR lists 13 of them: http://www.npr.org/2017/07/08/535813901/special-counsel-mueller-lets-his-actions-do-the-talking-15-hires-more-to-come
83 posted on 07/23/2017 1:07:15 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Ray76

Zainab Ahmad, TBD

Rush Atkinson, He donated $200 to Clinton’s campaign in 2016.

Michael Dreeben, TBD

Andrew Goldstein, Goldstein donated $3,300 to Obama’s campaigns in 2008 and 2012.

Adam Jed, TBD

Lisa Page, TBD

Elizabeth Prelogar, She donated $250 each to Clinton’s campaign and the Obama Victory Fund 2016 and 2012

James Quarles, donated more than $30,000 to various Democratic campaigns in 2016

Jeannie Rhee, Rhee donated a total of $5,400 to Clinton’s campaign in 2015 and 2016, and a total of $4,800 to the Obama Victory Fund in 2008 and 2011. Clinton Foundation Lawyer and former Deputy Assistant Attorney General under Barack Obama.

Brandon Van Grack, donated $286.77 to Obama’s campaign in 2008

Andrew Weissmann, Weissmann donated $2,300 to the Obama Victory Fund in 2008, $2,000 to the DNC in 2006 and at least $2,300 to the Clinton campaign in 2007

Aaron Zebley, TBD

Aaron Zelinsky, TBD

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/07/05/who-is-on-the-special-counsel-team-investigating-russian-meddling-in-the-2016-election

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/06/robert-mueller-stacks-special-counsel-clinton-foundation-lawyer-deputy-assistant-ag-obama/

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/robert-mueller-stocks-staff-democrat-donors/


84 posted on 07/23/2017 1:21:02 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: gibsonguy

Comey was deeply involved in the Collusion too.


85 posted on 07/23/2017 1:21:22 PM PDT by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: Paladin2

“Comey was deeply involved in the Collusion too.”

Hell yes he was. Let’s not forget he was allowed to postpone his congressional testimony so he could confer Mueller. So Comey was allowed to huddle with the SC investigating the President who fired him before testifying no problem right?


86 posted on 07/23/2017 1:55:15 PM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: Cboldt

I’ve posted your analysis at CTH.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/07/23/july-23rd-2017-presidential-politics-trump-administration-day-185/comment-page-3/#comment-4171995


87 posted on 07/23/2017 2:39:52 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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To: Cboldt

The issue here is the investigation leading to impeachment (formal charges).

The investigation should be done probably by the House IMO and not the DOJ because of prima facia conflict of interest.


88 posted on 07/23/2017 2:42:01 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Ray76

Bump - nice artwork! Thanks.


89 posted on 07/23/2017 2:43:36 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Ray76
The legal threshold for conflict for a prosecutor or investigator is ridiculously high. See 28 CFR 45.2, the regulation that Sessions was bound by, resulting in a proper recusal.

Neither Mueller nor anybody on his team is "conflicted out" by the specific relationships named in the DoJ conflict regulation, 28 CFR 45.2. But the framing of 28 CFR 45.2 is not applicable. It is the wrong test.

What has to be met is the standard in 28 CFR 600, the Special Counsel regulation. The whole point of appointing a Special Counsel is to remove the appearance of bias.

The question is simple, do the people believe that Mueller's team is unbiased? That's not a legal standard, it isn't in the code book. But we can sure as heck measure it. Use polling.

The question is whether or not the people will accept the results as coming from an unbiased investigator. If the people view this collection of professionals as biased, then the team must change. Otherwise the investigation effort is a total waste.

90 posted on 07/23/2017 3:23:25 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Jim 0216
-- The issue here is the investigation leading to impeachment (formal charges). --

You raise a good argument here. What is the purpose of this investigation? Congress very much likes that Comey insinuated (but expressly stated the opposite) a crime might have been committed.

Congress, being 100% risk averse and 80% against Trump was pleased to get the hand up, and went along with the false premise, never stated premise, that a special counsel was necessary, "in order to remove the appearance of bias." Congress wants the Special Counsel to do the dirty work. Same happened in the Fiske/Starr endeavor.

But in order for this approach to be legitimate, there must be a credible allegation of a crime.

If that can't be done, then release the Special Counsel, and put the monkey on Congress.

-- The investigation should be done probably by the House IMO and not the DOJ because of prima facia conflict of interest. --

Congress is per se biased. It's function is to be partisan. Nobody in Congress is unbiased, by definition. But when the point of the investigation is to impeach and remove a president or other official for something that is not a crime, then by golly, it's theirs and theirs alone to have at.

91 posted on 07/23/2017 3:34:47 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

The attorneys fail the tests of 45.2 anyway. The optics aren’t good though.


92 posted on 07/23/2017 4:25:58 PM PDT by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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-- The attorneys fail the tests of 45.2 anyway. --

No they don't. That is a bad place to argue. The starting point of 45.2 is "a personal or political relationship," in this case with the campaign. No other entity has a stake in the outcome.

Any prosecutor that does not have a stake in the Trump campaign is therefore not barred by this regulation. Comey has no more stake in this (on paper) than you or I do. The question of criminal conduct by the Trump campaign is an issue of public import. The crime would be against the public, not against Comey. Not against Mueller. Not against any of Mueller's army.

Jump to arguing the point of appointing an independent prosecutor. Do you believe they are unbiased? Do you trust them to be unbiased? Do they view the Trump campaign in a neutral fashion?

If they gave money to an opposing campaign, they are NOT NEUTRAL. They have the appearance of bias. No further inquiry necessary.

93 posted on 07/23/2017 5:27:27 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
Of course and as I said earlier in Post #43, with the House, potential political shenanigans abound there too, but at least there's not prima facia conflict of interest.
94 posted on 07/23/2017 6:03:13 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Cboldt

bkmk


95 posted on 07/23/2017 6:53:06 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Cboldt

Then John McCain has nothing to worry about.


96 posted on 07/23/2017 8:43:22 PM PDT by The Westerner (Protect the most vulnerable: get the government out of medicine and education!)
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To: dila813
Trump should just fire him and let the howlers howl

They've been howling. They are howling. They'll continue to howl no matter what happens or doesn't happen.

97 posted on 07/24/2017 6:16:26 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola.")
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To: Cboldt
How is (b) (ii) interpreted ?
(ii) any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation;

this seems like no brakes and if there is any fork in the road, take it.
98 posted on 07/24/2017 7:36:42 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: caww; All; goldbux

Tweedledumb, Tweedledumber, & Tweedlethee.


99 posted on 07/24/2017 10:12:49 PM PDT by goldbux (No sufficiently rich interpreted language can represent its own semantics. -- Alfred Tarski, 1936)
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To: stylin19a
-- How is "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation" interpreted? --

That part is in case there are "directly related" crimes that aren;t specified in the primary purpouse of the investigation. Say for example that the Trump campaign issued a death thret or otherwise extorted money or services for the campaign. Extortion is then directly related to another illegal activity.

But if Manafort was money laundering on the side, in 2008, that is not directly related to any crime the campaign might have otherwise perpetrated.

100 posted on 07/25/2017 3:29:34 AM PDT by Cboldt
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