Posted on 07/22/2017 12:41:29 PM PDT by AbolishCSEU
Hey Laz,
Your quite the busybody.
You sense in teasing you.
O! You have no idea.
Oh, and it's "You're", you illiterate fob.
Hope that helps heaps.
“Oh, and it’s “You’re”, you illiterate fob.”
Thinks!
“Big talk from a newbie.”
More than a dozen years in is a newbie in your book huh?
“First off, just because a man demands a woman get an abortion, does not mean she is going to be strapped down on a gurney against her will. That will never happen.”
So, you ARE advocating FOR abortion? Am I understanding you correctly?
It sure sounds like you are saying that the judicial system should financially incentivize women to abort their illegitimate (or maybe their legitimate) babies so men don’t have to pay for children they don’t want.
“Is that too hard for you to get?”
Apparently. Because I keep doing a double-take thinking I MUST have misunderstood you. But after re-reading I keep coming to the same conclusion: you ARE justifying abortion.
“Now I ask you, if I’m talking about the future of the child, am I really asking for it to be aborted?”
If you are taking a pro-life stance, you have not even reached a level of subtle, nuanced advocacy. Because I still can’t tell if you are supposed to be pro-life.
This site is pro-life by the way. In case you did not know.
Any reasonable person can see what you said is 100% inconsistent with a pro-life view.
If you are pro-life you need to state it plainly. If you are not, then you should post your views on the matter somewhere other than Free Republic. That’s non-negotiable on this forum.
And, again, if that’s changed, I have not heard so. But I am pretty sure you’re the one who is out of step here.
“As a matter of fact, if you think you are the judge of who belongs here, you should think about how it makes you look.”
I’m not here to put on a dog and pony show. I’m not auditioning for anything. And I’m not particularly concerned with how it makes me look. And I especially don’t care if it makes me look bad in the eyes of someone who is pro-abortion. If you’re pro-abortion, then we’re not on the same team.
I am pro-life. If this site abandons that position, I will judge myself as not belonging and leave.
However, I am going by the official position of the site and the owner.
Here is what I am reading as your position: Men should be able to get out of child support if they ask their pregnant wife / girlfriend to abort their child.
If that’s not your position, please show me how I misread what you’ve written. And if that is your position, one of us is on the wrong forum. And I’m pretty sure it is you.
Please read:
http://www.freerepublic.com/home.htm
“Free Republic is a site dedicated to the concerns of traditional grassroots conservative activists. We’re here to discuss and advance our conservative causes in a more or less liberal-free environment. We’re not here to debate liberals. We do not want our pages filled with their arrogant, obnoxious, repugnant bile. Liberals, usurpers, and other assorted malcontents are considered unwelcome trolls on FR and their accounts and or posts will be summarily dismissed at the convenience of the site administrators.”
Also note the links at the top of the main page, and all of the section pages. In the heading you will find a link devoted to the pro-life cause:
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/prolife/index?tab=articles
As long as I’ve been on Free Republic, it is pretty much been a given that this site is pro-life. That’s the conservative position. If you want to advocate some other position, this is NOT the place to do so.
That may have been the case in the 70’s and 80’s, but that’s not the case today.
Nowadays Courts are loath to make decisions on child custody. The overwhelming majority of child custody cases are decided by agreement b/w parents.
In NC, this is the case in about 95% of child custody cases and it’s similar around th country.
Courts no longer automatically assume the best place for the child is w the mother.
Nothing directly. This was in reply to your comments about how men are suddenly practicing "safe sex" by shooting into condoms.
Women are forcing unequal child support laws on men, with the acquiescence of older men in positions of power. Obviously.
How pathetic!!! The "weaker sex" is forcing unequal child support laws on men. Oh not all men, some as you admit are acquiescing.
No one is forcing men to have sex with every woman who is willing with no regard for the possible consequences.
No one is forcing men to fill the little white cup.
No one is forcing men to shell out billions a year for prostitutes and dominatrices. BTW, you never did answer my question. How come men have billions to spend on prostitutes, but nothing to spend in support of MRAs?
And no one is stopping men from donating some of that money they have top spend on sports or hookers to the MRAs who are fighting this.
BTW, some of those MRAs are women. If men would make a united stand for their own rights and the rights of their sons, they might be surprised at how many women come around to supporting them. As it is, how are women going to support a stand that men won't take?
Oh my, you are a newbie, compared to us who have been here longer.
The topic here is child support.
Grow up.
Odd reply when the simple solution is to clarify that you are pro-life and have somehow been misunderstood.
YOU ADVOCATED FOR ABORTION IN YOUR COMMENT.
Now you want to change the subject that YOU brought up.
I’m not the one who introduced your liberal view on abortion. You did.
You replied to someone who was discussing a father having the right to STOP an abortion from happening. YOU introduced the OPPOSITE idea in which you ADVOCATE a father should be able to get out of supporting a child by demanding it to be aborted.
It’s right here for everyone to see:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3571191/posts?page=41#41
Claiming that your advocacy is not about abortion is very much like the lies Planned Parenthood uses to promote abortion. They made outrageous claims of how many women were supposedly dying through illegal abortions. They made claims that legalizing abortion would cause the number of abortions to go down. And your position is just another lie, whether you yourself believe this lie or not. The reality is that allowing fathers to escape responsibility for financially supporting their children by seeking an abortion would result in MORE abortions.
Congratulations on hiding your socially liberal views on this conservative website since nearly its beginning. Too bad for you that they are now exposed.
Don’t direct your anger and hatred toward me for calling you out on it. Instead reevaluate your views.
Some of us conservatives have no interest in partnering with the merely fiscally conservative libertarians who care nothing about abortion, homosexual marriage, and religious freedom. Without addressing these issues I hope and pray America and its Satanic politicians FAIL. I hope the pain inflicted by the deserved catastrophes that follow are immense. And I hope the brunt of the pain falls on the advocates as well as practitioners of abortion as divine justice demands.
You would do well to extricate yourself from that group. Divine wrath is coming for the abortionists, the socialism- and usury-promoting thieves, and the corrupters of children who promote sexual deviancy. Don’t find yourself in that number when God’s judgment arrives. Unique events in history happening now seem to indicate that this time is getting near.
Yes, I said the father could request an abortion, this is simply a means to disavow responsibility on a par with the mother, doing the same. Only difference is the baby does not have to die.
Twist this into being something else if you wish, but it is not.
There is nothing wrong with being pro-life and wanting to see fairness in the child support system.
The BLUE states still DO assume that “mom” is best
Not per se, but you would be shocked how many DO
Today’s married women do not believe in “for better or for worse.”
marriage is no protection in the family courts for men; NOT being married does not have any repercussions for the mother.
Are you saying what I think you are? That a father’s request to murder the child in womb should release him of all responsibility?
So you love the abortion culture so you can have great sex without birth control and no worries about creating life?
All I can say to you is “good luck.” I suppose over 50% of men fail at marriage. So much for “it takes two to tango.”
A woman can legally kill a man’s child in the womb without his consent, but you’re also saying that a woman is entitled to force a man to become a father without consent?
That’s the legal double standard that exists now. Trying to twist this into being in favor of abortion does not change the basic legal inequality. I’m not in favor of abortion. If legal consent to parenthood were equally enforced, the entire abortion debate would be turned on it’s ear.
I’m the opposite of your crazy women. I sat down with my ex in a coffee shop and we filled out the divorce papers together with no lawyers involved. I waived all alimony, I waived all the parts about garnishing his wages, etc.
When it came to child support, it was mandatory to include his salary and fit it into the formula that determines his monthly mandatory child support. Couldn’t waive it. So we worked the formula backward to use a figure he wanted to pay, not based on his high salary. We fudged it.
And then I told him I would never come after him for it, because I wanted the child in my country and no sending my kid overseas for visits (unless I was there). All I told him was that, while I would never seek his child support payments or report him for not paying, I would be honest with our child when he was older, if he ever asked if Dad paid any child support for him. That is all I needed to say. My ex paid every month for 21 years, three years longer than the law required.
Decent people do it decently.
I hate the double standard, but I know to every problem is a gdly solution. Our creator does not want us murdering inconvenient children.
Please see my previous post about my own divorce to understand how deeply I feel for men in this situation. I do understand fairness.
There is nothing for a good man to do except choose a sex partner very carefully and load up on birth control. There are good women out there and I am one of them. I was more than fair.
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