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USS Fitzgerald collision wasn't reported for nearly an hour, Japan says
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| June 19, 2017
Posted on 06/19/2017 10:20:48 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: al baby
“Something stinks in japan”
Yes, it’s the crew of the Fitzgerald.
The most advanced ship in the world got hit by a lumbering container ship on the open seas.
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:25:15 AM PDT
by
Mariner
(War Criminal #18)
To: ltc8k6
It was a sudden U-turn. Big difference.
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:26:22 AM PDT
by
Kaslin
(The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
To: dsc
This could be like 2012 USS Porter collision. Total incompetence.
To: garyb
For FWIW department:
The Fitz was on ABM (she was packing the Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) Block IIA)picket duty to protect Tokyo and surrounding areas from anything the Norks would sling that way.
She operates in a restricted area (off limits to normal commercial traffic) usually sailing in a “Box”, she may even been hove to. That restricted area was breached by the Crystal, the Fitz may have been thinking she was in “Protected waters”, the Crystal made a last minute port turn into the Fitz
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:27:20 AM PDT
by
Robe
(A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
To: ltc8k6
That is why it hit the Fitzgerald.
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:28:56 AM PDT
by
Kaslin
(The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
To: ltc8k6
That is why it hit the Fitzgerald, or rather rammed the Fitzgerald
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:29:36 AM PDT
by
Kaslin
(The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
To: dsc
“””Ive seen the freighters track; Id like to see the DDGs.”””
Me too.
To: Uncle Sam 911
I was Army also but I do know soldiers or sailors need to be on watch/guard at night and to be extra vigilant. This thing stinks.
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:30:31 AM PDT
by
shanover
(...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
To: blueunicorn6
“What Im not going to do is disparage our Sailors when we dont have enough facts.”
When the most advanced warship in the world gets hit by a container ship...on the open seas...the crew of the warship was most definitely negligent and incompetent.
The Fitz has a top speed of 40kts and can do a 180deg turn in less than a mile. It can see and track every surface vessel for 50 miles in every direction.
Courts Martial is appropriate for all involved.
Manslaughter the appropriate charge.
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:32:35 AM PDT
by
Mariner
(War Criminal #18)
To: outpostinmass2
Fox News reported it several days ago.
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:33:32 AM PDT
by
Kaslin
(The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
To: Presbyterian Reporter
Most Naval Warships do not have a transponder , so you wont be seeing the Fitzs track, perhaps after the inquiry on board INS will be shared.
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:33:53 AM PDT
by
Robe
(A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
To: Travis McGee
The Fitz could EASILY avoid an intentional ramming by a cargo ship at sea.
Easily.
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:35:29 AM PDT
by
Mariner
(War Criminal #18)
To: Mariner
Yes, the idea that the Fitz crew was incompetent enough for this to occur is inconceivable and an insult to the Navy.
This resulted from a deliberate act by someone on the Fitz.
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:36:13 AM PDT
by
mrsmith
(Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
To: Mariner
It was the container ship that made a sudden U-turn in the crowded area, not the Fitzgerald.
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:36:24 AM PDT
by
Kaslin
(The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
To: Robe
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:36:34 AM PDT
by
garyb
(What if you can't trust the voice in your head?)
To: ltc8k6
It would only be ironic if there was some connection. There does not appear to be any.
I'm truly sorry that it went
so very far over you head.
irony
1 |ˈīrənē, ˈiərnē| noun (pl. ironies)
the expression of one's meaning by ,
using language that normally signifies
the opposite, typically for humorous
or emphatic effect: Don't go overboard
with the gratitude, he rejoined with heavy irony.
a state of affairs or an event
that seems deliberately contrary
to what one expects and is
often amusing as a result:
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:38:32 AM PDT
by
Uri’el-2012
(Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
To: Travis McGee
A petty officer is staring at the radar every single minute, and he is plotting the courses and the Closest Point of Approach (CPA) of every contact he sees. In addition, there is a lookout with a headset in comms with the bridge posted on the bow, the stern, and each bridge wing (outside). Its a friendly competition to see if the lookout can spot a small boat unseen on radar. Every young set of eyes wants to be the first to spot a contact, and does not want to hear, Bow lookout, do you see that fishing boat a mile ahead? The bow lookout wants to be telling the bridge, I see something ahead, a small boy, do you have it on radar? Further: the CO of the ship has standing orders which are reiterated every night that he must be awoken if any contact has a CPA closer than a certain distance of a set number of miles. The distance might vary according to conditions, (traffic, fog, etc), but generally any projected CPA closer than a few miles, and the captain will be on the bridge. The CPA of three miles, for example, might be projected to occur a half hour in the future, but the captain will be brought to the bridge from his at sea cabin which is only a few steps away. And when in doubt: get the captain!
Now, looking at the six turns made by the ACX Crystal, it looks to me as if the person at the helm took the decision to make a U-turn and come back in pursuit of lining up a collision attack against the Fitzgerald. There is no innocent explanation for those six turns ending up in a ramming. There are some reports that the Crystal turned off its AIS radar transponder, radios, and running lights.
Wasn't the captain injured in his cabin? You've made a strong case for the ramming being intentional... which would be supported by the oddity of not reporting the incident for over an hour... but WHAT could possibly be the motive?
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:39:33 AM PDT
by
GOPJ
(James Hodgkinson a Bernie Sanders true believer)kicks off Resistance Summer by shooting Republicans)
To: GOPJ
Why wasn’t the Captain awakened according to protocol?
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:41:09 AM PDT
by
petitfour
(APPEAL TO HEAVEN)
To: Kaslin
it would take the container ship at least 5-8 miles to do a 180.
At least.
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:41:19 AM PDT
by
Mariner
(War Criminal #18)
To: Mariner
It wasn't in the open sea, the area was crowded
Map of the collision
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posted on
06/19/2017 11:43:46 AM PDT
by
Kaslin
(The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triump. Thomas Paine)
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