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USS Fitzgerald collision wasn't reported for nearly an hour, Japan says
CBS News ^ | June 19, 2017

Posted on 06/19/2017 10:20:48 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Travis McGee
Here is the comparative tonnage:

From the internet: ACX Crystal is a 730-foot (220 m) container ship of 29,060 gross tons, 39,565 tonnes deadweight with a MAN B&W 8-cylinder diesel of 39,265 bhp giving a maximum speed of 25.3 knots and a service speed of 23.0 knots.

Fitzgerald is 505 ft, 8900 tons, 4 GE gas turbine engines 100,000 shaft horsepower driving two five-bladed reversible controllable-pitch propeller.

IOW the Fitzgerald is grossly more maneuverable. Upon recognition that the ACX Crystal was on the starboard quarter, closing on a coverging course with a collision in the future, the OOD on Fitzgerald should have altered course to port, perhaps as much as 90 degrees to clear the ACX crystal's track rapidly. Once control of the situation was established with large bearing rate and increasing range, slow until clear, then return to base course. Another alternative is to do a 360 to port passing behind the ACX Crystal, returning to base course and adjusting speed to remain on track.

Another course, if the situation was recognized well in advance is to increase speed, hold course and pass clear ahead of the ACX crystal.

181 posted on 06/19/2017 5:18:13 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: nickcarraway

What was the weather like?

Say, an ops team is unloading something important in open sea, at night, in bad seas.

You could have a nasty crash that could not be broadcast until the work was complete.

Just a thought.


182 posted on 06/19/2017 5:57:41 PM PDT by Noamie
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To: nickcarraway

What was the weather like?

Say, an ops team is unloading something important in open sea, at night, in bad seas.

You could have a nasty crash that could not be broadcast until the work was complete.

Just a thought.


183 posted on 06/19/2017 5:58:05 PM PDT by Noamie
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To: Mariner

“So tell us a plausible bullshit story on how this was not the fault of the Fitz crew. Any plausible bullshit story will do.”

Okay. The ships were supposed to rendezvous at sea to transfer elite troops for offloading in Mindanao. At the last second, a muzzie shot the captain, ordered up some turns, and rammed the Fitzgerald.

That bovine enough for you?


184 posted on 06/19/2017 6:30:44 PM PDT by dsc
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To: Flintlock

What’s more plausible is that IT IS an accident, and that the midwatch OOD decided not to follow Captain’s standing orders and wake the CO for contacts with CPAs of X nm of the ship.

Container ship should have cut her in half, and what likely happened is that the vessel flexed at the keel which opened a seam and ruptured through-hull fittings.

The collision happened on the right side of the ship. Open and shut that the collision was the fault of the DDG.

Captain got tossed across his stateroom by the impact of the collision, which hit directly on his stateroom, which is just below the bridge in most ships on the O2 or O3 level. Chances are he was unconscious, incapacitated, or they had real trouble getting into his stateroom. He medievac’d off. XO normally coordinates the DC response with the DCA.

This all screams NOT READY to any adversary that cares to pay attention.


185 posted on 06/19/2017 6:47:31 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Truth, in a time of universal deceit, is courage)
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To: ltc8k6; Travis McGee
I'd put the collision at 4

No merchant is going to do that turn unless it comes to a dead stop.

186 posted on 06/19/2017 7:04:05 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (for the night is dark and full of terrorists)
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To: Kaslin
That map is so wrong.

Collision is the faint dot south of Oshima island in Tokyo Bay.

187 posted on 06/19/2017 7:12:24 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (for the night is dark and full of terrorists)
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To: AndyJackson
Actually not. Fitzgerald was crossing from Crystal's port side

Crystal was stand on vessel.

188 posted on 06/19/2017 7:26:22 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (for the night is dark and full of terrorists)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Crazy how many protocols would have to be broken for this to happen. Most likely not, but could the ship have been rendered inoperable? It was not but a few months back that I was reading speculation about certain possible weaknesses here on FR. I pray for the sailors and for continued dominance.


189 posted on 06/19/2017 7:59:26 PM PDT by TBall
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To: Oztrich Boy

It is evident from the damage to Crystal and to the Fitzgerald that Crystal was likely approaching from more than two points abaft the beam which means, under international law that Crystal was overtaking and was thus the give-way vessel.


190 posted on 06/19/2017 8:37:01 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

Except unless the DDG was stationary, a few minutes before that, Crystal would have been in Fitzgerald’s starboard bow quarter and therefore stand on.


191 posted on 06/19/2017 8:49:42 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (for the night is dark and full of terrorists)
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To: Travis McGee

Brilliant post - thank you! This is indeed a great mystery.


192 posted on 06/19/2017 8:53:46 PM PDT by tjd1454
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To: Oztrich Boy

Nope


193 posted on 06/19/2017 9:44:08 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: tjd1454

See 165. If the new timeline (earlier collision) is correct, the OOD will hang.


194 posted on 06/20/2017 4:05:46 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Sadly, I concur.


195 posted on 06/20/2017 4:06:53 AM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

“The caliber and intelligence of
newcomers to FR seems to
have slipped dramatically.

It must be as a result of Barry’s tenure.”

What does my 2006 FR join year and my Trump voting have to do with anything? We disagree on the subject. Let it go already.


196 posted on 06/20/2017 4:43:10 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for the correction... any idea what’s going to happen from here on out?


197 posted on 06/20/2017 8:29:59 AM PDT by GOPJ (James Hodgkinson a Bernie Sanders true believer)kicks off Resistance Summer by shooting Republicans)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Not to mention a Great Lakes Freighter sitting on the bottom of Lake Superior.


198 posted on 06/20/2017 8:39:45 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: xone

You’re right - Benson might have run out of any luck he’s had... the Board will not be kind.


199 posted on 06/20/2017 8:41:03 AM PDT by GOPJ (James Hodgkinson a Bernie Sanders true believer)kicks off Resistance Summer by shooting Republicans)
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To: Portcall24
Not to mention a Great Lakes Freighter sitting on the bottom of Lake Superior.

Must be Gorgon Lightfoot

200 posted on 06/20/2017 10:13:26 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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