Posted on 06/17/2017 6:14:26 PM PDT by plain talk
You’re quoting yourself?
You don’t think Islam is evil?
I did not know that, thank you.
Total lynchings of blacks, 1882-1968: 3,446 (of whites: 1,297)
2013, total homicides of blacks by blacks: 2,245. So, the total number of lynchings of blacks over 86 years is matched by 18 months of black-on-black homicides.
The liberal assumption is that all lynchings of blacks were for no reason, rather than extra-judicial executions of people caught in the act.
Senate control would not have happened until March 1861, and the first session of the new Congress wouldn't have convened until December 1861. But regardless, your claim was secession occurred because Lincoln and the Republicans were waging economic war on the Southern states. Since, as I said, they didn't control the White House and Congress until after secession then how were they able to wage the economic war that led the Southern states to rebel?
83 references to slavery, one reference to taxes (with respect to the taxation of slaves), and one reference to tariffs. Thanks for making my point!
I took a bus trip to Little Rock Arkansas one time. We traveled through the mid section where, for the first time, I saw blacks picking cotton the old fashioned way, bent over, long sacks behind. I was shocked as I thought I was back in the 1850s! The year was 1968.
West Texas cotton fields were using mechanical pickers at that time.
**It freed every slave in the areas...***
So many former slaves were now following Sherman’s army they were tricked and abandoned at Ebenezer creek where hundreds or thousands (depending on the source) drowned trying to cross.
The five Indian tribes in Oklahoma joined the Confederate cause. Same for most of the Osages.
A few did remain with the Union cause.
The Plains Indians from the Apaches in the South to the Sioux in the north also went on the warpath against the North, except the Pawnee and one small weak band of Sioux.
When Chivington hit the Southern Cheyenne camp at Sand Creek he captured two Confederate agents who were there to make sure the tribe again went on the warpath after the winter was over.
After the war was over, the Five Civilized Tribes in Oklahoma were forced to cede to the US the western half of their lands.
I fail to see the connection with Lincoln and Islam.
While I am familiar with what happened at Ebenezer Creek, I'm not aware of any reputable source saying the death toll was in the thousands. But I fail to see the relevance.
A gross overstatement. The Creek stayed loyal to the Union. The Cherokee were split between those who supported the Treaty of New Echota and those who did not, with those who opposed the treaty siding with the Union. The Delaware remained loyal. Others did as well.
The Plains Indians from the Apaches in the South to the Sioux in the north also went on the warpath against the North, except the Pawnee and one small weak band of Sioux.
They fought against the U.S. They had no love for the Confederacy, and the Comanche and the Apache showed.
They both have beards?
He attacked the Confederate States of America
He responded to an attack.
**The Creek stayed loyal to the Union.**
If they stayed loyal why did they have to give up the western part of their Indian Territory reservation in 1866 just like the other tribes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_American_Civil_War
“At the beginning of the war, Albert Pike was appointed as Confederate envoy to Native Americans. In this capacity he negotiated several treaties, one such treaty was the Treaty with Choctaws and Chickasaws conducted in July 1861. The treaty covered sixty-four terms covering many subjects like Choctaw and Chickasaw nation sovereignty, Confederate States of America citizenship possibilities, and an entitled delegate in the House of Representatives of the Confederate States of America. The Cherokee, Choctaw, Chickasaw, Seminole, Catawba, and Creek tribes were the only tribes to fight on the Confederate side.”
Out west, the Mescalero Apache went on the warpath against the Union when they heard the Confederates were coming. The Confederacy got along well with the Mescalero for a while.
Sons of the Southern Cheyenne, going to Indian schools in St Louis promptly joined the Confederate Army when hostilities broke out. Many of the other tribes, such as the Osages, were split.
It was firmly believed that Confederate agents were slipping into the plains tribes to get them on the warpath against the Union.
Maybe this is why the Indians who were hanged as a warning to others.
Chivigton was a firm believer in confederate agents stirring up the tribes. He referred to the tribes as “Red Rebels” and captured two agents in the camp at Sand Creek.
The southern states knew what the Republican plans were as soon as their nominating convention was over.
"But regardless, your claim was secession occurred because Lincoln and the Republicans were waging economic war on the Southern states. Since, as I said, they didn't control the White House and Congress until after secession then how were they able to wage the economic war that led the Southern states to rebel?"
There were Republicans in Congress well before this specific election, as well as "proto-Republicans" (Whigs and others) who had been pushing the same agenda. The only thing that the election did was show that the proposed economic plan was inevitable.
There can be no proper legislature of the state loyal to the Union if the state is not in the Union.
I don’t believe it met the requirements of Article iV, Section 3, Paragraph 1.
IOW, it freed nobody, because it only applied where the Confederacy was in control, not the Union. As a practical matter, it did nada. Had he intended to f4ree slaves, he could have easily applied it everywhere, not just in the areas he didn’t control.
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