Posted on 04/26/2017 9:39:08 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
Like ours?
Never happen, but a reasonable bargaining position.
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I think you’re right.
Yes, IMHO that is a good summary of the energy politics and pipeline part of this story. Its interesting they cite the Brookings Institute (a generally progressive/globalist think tank) showing how the Sunni Arabs and Saudis have been supporting ISIS. Its also interesting how these reports have already been removed from the Brookings website!
There’s a strategic interest in this as well. I am sure the US wants a Sunni- Saudi Puppet to take over in Syria, which would make it much easier to control. The Israelis would also welcome that too. That also means poking Russia in the eye and handing a loss to Putin, which has benefits in other efforts to contain and degrade Russia.
I will admit I do not understand all the angles, particularly with regards to Iran.
But we DO know - the terms “Arab Spring,” “overthrowing tyranny” and “chemical weapons” are all bullshit media narratives produced for the credulous.
I have my opinion but the question I guess is do we have a duty or interest in savings eastern Europe from Russia’s clutches. As long as we have a strong President with a big stick, I think Putin won’t dare move on the Ukraine.
Yes, exactly like ours or Cuba and China for that instance. Haven't heard about any journalists being gunned down lately or jailed.
Typical Putin apologetics. Can't get anything over that.
Good job highlighting another episode of Soviet Communism’s inhumanity to man.
If some people would get over their collective short term memory, pardon the pun.
They stole Crimea from Ukraine and are supporting insurgents in the eastern part of the country now. Putin is already there amigo.
It is called negotiation. Now the US position is extreme against the Russian desires, they counter it with much more desirable offer. If TRex had given Crimea, Russia would be negotiating about Kiev instead. Just understand that the US is in the hands of Master negotiators, not amateurs under Obama.
> It is called negotiation. Now the US position is extreme against the Russian desires, they counter it with much more desirable offer. If TRex had given Crimea, Russia would be negotiating about Kiev instead. <
That’s an excellent point! But there’s also the insult factor. Suppose Putin and Trump were negotiating a nuclear arms reduction deal. And suppose Putin started out by demanding that the US return Arizona to Mexico. Trump might be so insulted by Putin’s “demand” that he might call the whole thing off.
I’ve seen this occur in real estate negotiations. The buyer’s first offer is so low (or so unrealistic) that the seller gets upset, and refuses to talk any more with that particular buyer.
Regards,
LR
Insult factor may be an issue within a generic real estate negotiation, but not a factor at all in geo politics of all things. Your potential buyer insults you with a low ball offer in your for-sale house. You tell that buyer to fk off and wait for another buyer may be next day or week. You know a buyer will come, eventually. Not so much when you are dealing with countries, least of it being USA — the super power. You follow the line, regardless of the perception of insult or not.
This admin’s negotiators know what is up. They are negotiating from the position of absolute advantage. No need to give anything away.
I wish there was a “like” button.
Question: Mr Kissinger once said that Russia always preferred the risk of defeat to compromise. Do you think that we are playing in the wrong league on a number of international issues?
Sergey Lavrov: Everything depends on who looks at this or other situation. I don’t know whether the political community thinks that we are playing in the wrong league. I have read and heard much criticism regarding our decision to join the fight in Donbass and in Syria
http://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/2804842?p_p_id=101_INSTANCE_cKNonkJE02Bw&_101_INSTANCE_cKNonkJE02Bw_languageId=en_GB
and in Russian:
http://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02Bw/content/id/2804842
Bump
Nope, this is a sound move by Trump. We convinced Ukraine to give up its nukes in exchange for our defending its sovereignty. Then Barry let Russia swipe a chunk of it.
Would we support Italy or Germany claiming a chunk of Switzerland because of the language spoken in it?
This is Trump restoring global trust in the word of the US.
I I believe the last vote showed 97% of Crimea voted to rejoin ( yes rejoin) Russia to whom they have geographic ethnic and historic ties
What the West doesnt like the vote?
Then do it again under the UN
But wait
It wont go the way the neocons and oil interests prefer
So no “ we” wont ever allow this
Even though we have established a precedent of promoting “ breakaway republics”’
as in Kosovo
Maybe if Crimea was muslim we wouldn't be having this discussion
We'd be helping their freedom fighters gain independence
Virtually every country in the world has such minority enclaves and I don’t trust those polls. At best we could urge/require a high level of autonomy in distinct regions of a reunited Ukraine. But letting Russia bite off a chunk of Europe like that that we vowed to defend is IMO unacceptable.
Why was it acceptable for Krushchev to give them to Ukraine?
Who voted for that?
Why did that make them Ukrainian?
What are we defending here?
Krushchev’s gerrymandering?
We are arming the Ukrainians and they are obligingly killing each other with the weapons
Adam Schiff - Ukrainian tool
We are defending the promise that we made to a sovereign government.
We are not arming them. I know this for a fact. Believe what you wish, though, since facts would run contrary to your pro-putin positions.
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