Posted on 04/17/2017 9:58:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
What high-school graduate is making more than $125K? Unless you mean their parents make more than that.
I have always said the worse thing that we did to our country was to end the draft. When our young men were drafted it gave them an education on the reality of life. And for many it also gave them marketable skills.
Bring back the draft, which needs to include our young women. It would be an eye opening experience that would be life changing for most if not all.
wait until the state decides what you’re allowed to major in. don’t think for a second that being utterly unable to support yourself with a women’s studies degree will prevent the state from coercing people from “earning” that worthless degree.
Of course, it is based on family income, like all college financial aid and calculations.
I hope it’s a tie, with both CA and NY going under at the same time.
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What about we people in Illinois? We want free chit too!
Good practical list. Many students who I have tutored already qualified for college credit because of their AP high school courses.
The first lesson I taught my economics students was always..”There is no free lunch”. Giving “free” tuition also raises the old tragedy of the commons situation.... free resources will always be over exploited as there are no economic consequences. Think of all the little snowflakes who will not bother to show up for class, spend their time in safe spaces with coloring books, take classes in underwater basket weaving and having nothing to show for their free college.
Speaking as a New Yorker, a taxpayer in New York, and a recent student of the NY state university system (as CUNY, changing careers in my 30s), I don’t see this as a terrible idea.
(1) CUNY, at least, is pretty career focused. Most of the people I’ve taken classes with, both grads and undergrads, are focused, hard-working, and intelligent. A lot of older/immigrant students as well. It doesn’t meet the stereotype of a party school nor of being very PC. Just ordinary New Yorkers trying to get a leg up.
(2) CUNY actually used to be tuition-free (provided that you got good grades) until the mid 70s. There’s historical precedent here, and the past experiments hardly ruined the system. They had to start chargine tuition during the economic issues of the 1970s, but it’s no longer 1977.
(3) City/state universities in NY are 80% funded through non-tuition sources anyway. This will increase costs less than one thinks.
A lot of CUNY students I know do not have the luxury of having the so-called “College’ Experience”.
Many are working part-time while juggling their time taking classes in the CUNY schools that do not even have huge campuses like they have in the suburban areas.
These are the ones who would tend to study the non-fluff courses that get them useful jobs after they graduate.
Anything that keeps the young libs in NY and out of my state can't be all bad.
Even some conservatives I know do not comprehend that NOTHING is ever free. We take for granted way to much.
Higher than high.
We need to get the good old word “ARMAGEDON” into the mix.
Please, let us not ignore reality.
“Providing students four years of tuition-free college does not mean that professors have generously decided to forgo their salaries and academic buildings now come rent-free. In fact, it does not even mean that universities have a plan to cut administrative bloat to focus more of their efforts on academics.”
They don’t have to forego their salaries. They just have to teach classes. Schools should add classes to their schedules. Instead of teaching one class for 150k they can now teach four.
The only number I saw in the excerpt was an estimate of $163 Million for the first year of a three year phase in. The actual annual cost five years down the road will be at least ten times that.
Yes, exactly — CUNY’s Hunter campus is 2-3 city blocks square. It enrolls about 40% of the number of students that Rutgers in NJ enrolls in all of its campuses — most of which are measured in square miles.
Then again, it works because it’s in a major city, so it “outsources” a lot of things like recreation, dining, and housing to private business (landlords, groceries, restaurants) or to the city (Central Park) itself.
I don’t see the problem with giving the kind of student that goes to CUNY a bit of a leg up.
Yep, having talented and bright people have even more incentive to stay in NY or move here (vs fleeing to Nebraska) is awesome. For New York, that is.
See # 20
Must start to defund Berkeley and other university in Ca. People had been complaining giving free education to illegal,and ourout of State American kids have to pay out of State tuition. All they learn from school is how to rob Paul’s labor without shame and to give it to John for free.
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