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Can We Stop Pretending About Syria?
Townhall.com ^ | April 9, 2017 | Derek Hunter

Posted on 04/09/2017 5:09:44 AM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin
Re: “...one of the roughly dozen previous chemical attacks...”

Where does that claim come from?

The UN has investigated 16 alleged chemical attacks.

12 sites had no evidence of chemical weapons use.

4 sites had evidence of sarin, but the UN could not determine which group had used sarin.

Now, I agree that very often the UN is not a reliable source.

But not one USA political leader or military leader or intelligence leader publicly challenged the UN conclusions before Trump attacked Syria.

41 posted on 04/09/2017 10:35:16 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: zeestephen

Even the politicized UN which did investigations couldn’t blame Syrian government for those alleged attacks

But hey the narrative is out there, every lazy media writer and “ intelligence analyst” in the world just keeps parroting the same claims, and after all.... it really is about the seriousness of the charges...

I wonder if honest analysts who challenge what is being fed to Trump are being censored , demoted or reassigned ?


42 posted on 04/09/2017 12:06:19 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Kaslin

It will keep happening because it is a 1000 year old ISLAMIC religious civil war.

This is not difficult to understand and there is NOTHING we can do to stop it.

Please read history. ISIS is not a new thing. This carnage is not a new thing. It’s extremely old and it is all there in the history.


43 posted on 04/09/2017 12:32:42 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: 2banana

Exactly.
ISIS is not just in Syria, they are spread over a vast area.
The ISIS ideology is spread over an even vaster area and can crop up as ‘conflict’ at any moment.

There is no way ‘wipe out ISIS’

It can, however, be contained and kept away from the USA for the most part. ISIS is busy ‘wiping out’ apostates among Muslims. That is their primary goal.

Europe let in too many people carrying the ISIS ideology with them so we need to be wary of people from Europe now.

We have the chance that Europe threw away. We should take it.

This doesn’t mean there won’t be homeland terrorist attacks in future, we have let in some of that ideology as well. But we have the best chance of keeping it at bay ... if we will do it.


44 posted on 04/09/2017 12:42:51 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: silverleaf
CW protocol for a persistent nerve agent

Sarin isn't a persistent nerve agent.

45 posted on 04/09/2017 1:55:36 PM PDT by xone
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To: Kaslin

For anyone that still thinks our sudden shift to Lindsey Graham foreign policy is a good idea, please watch this below.

I know you can’t learn everything from one documentary, but you can see a certain reality that is not in the press.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/inside-assads-syria/


46 posted on 04/09/2017 1:59:07 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: bert

Except for the unfortunate reality that NONE of the “Syrian Refugees” in Europe are actually from Syria. The rapes will continue.


47 posted on 04/09/2017 2:01:11 PM PDT by The Toll
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To: Jarhead9297
That is the stance the US took about Jews during WWII and we saw how that worked out for the world

US military policy during WW II had nothing to do with Jews, a subject in which both the government and the people had little interest.

US war aims in Europe were achieved fully, and the benefits of our victory lasted for about 70 years, quite remarkable in the history of wars.

48 posted on 04/09/2017 2:03:05 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Die Gedanken sind Frei)
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To: wastoute

Would a gas bomb still blow buildings to smithereens?


49 posted on 04/09/2017 2:28:02 PM PDT by IDFbunny
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To: xone

Well professor, presuming victims were contaminated with sarin while clothed, how long would you wait before touching and removing their contaminated clothing?

PS: It wasn’t sarin or a whole bunch of first responders and doctors would be dead, based on those pictures of them walking around the scene barefoot or in sandals, handling and touching clothed victims

Has the world yet lost a White Helmet responding heroically to recover someone elses children (where were the mothers anyway?) from a CW attack with no protective gear except a bandanna?

The crisis actors should at least have been issued gloves to make it look a little bit realistic


50 posted on 04/09/2017 3:35:05 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Jarhead9297
That is the stance the US took about Jews during WWII and we saw how that worked out for the world.

In WWII, the problems in Germany were metastasizing to the rest of the world. In Syria, the problems would mainly stay there. I do not think that there is a danger that Syria would start invading other countries.

There are plenty of examples of genocidal situations where we did nothing. The policies have always seemed to be that as long as a dictator remains confined in his country's borders, he can do what he wants. Or as long as bloodshed remains confined within borders, we don't really care.

Not many people got worked up over or even knew of the atrocities of Ruanda and Sierra Leone. Or Uganda. Or China's treatment of Tibet. Etc.

51 posted on 04/09/2017 5:19:18 PM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: IDFbunny

No.


52 posted on 04/10/2017 2:04:41 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: silverleaf
There is no time context, it is hot in Syria. windy etc. All or any of these mitigate. The casualties aren't 'soaked' with Sarin, if the mixing process is correct the objective is an aerosol, death by respiration. A drop on the skin can be fatal but it isn't as if victims need being wet to die.

Some other agents, blister for e.g. are used to where areas are soaked. In France during WWI blister agents occasionally ran like thickened water in the gutters.

I share your skepticism but the current die has been cast.

53 posted on 04/10/2017 6:23:41 AM PDT by xone
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The scenario was based on dropped bombs
Not aerosol spraying ( which Saddam did for many years )
So we see victims who were exposed to “ sarin”’ via air dropped bomb blast
In nice neat intact clothing ( women in correct hijab) being treated by bare handed “ doctors “ who are tweeting

Children have no shrapnel and no parents to be seen with them
( in the 2013 attack it was reported that the victims were Christians and other Assad loyalist family members kidnapped from a pro assad village several days before their bodies showed up as “ Assad” CW victims. As one Syrian nun who was there told the UN investigators “ these people did not live in this neighborhood... And where are the children’s parents?”’

Look the whole staged CW scene stinks ( literally) but everything went like clockwork including the U.S. decision to attack immediately with assets waiting on station

Trump must be a maroon about CW to not even recognize he was being played

Or he was part of it and needed an excuse to “ show resolve”


54 posted on 04/10/2017 6:38:53 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: xone

Interesting interview with a UK journalist now living in Damascus

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xjOSZ6QgGgY


55 posted on 04/10/2017 7:04:14 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf
Chem bombs mix, have a burster charge to aerosolize the agent. The charge isn't the same as a regular bomb since heat is the enemy of nerve agents. Very little 'blast' unless it lands on you. No frags, (shrapnel is a specific item).

including the U.S. decision to attack immediately with assets waiting on station

Always have surface ships in the Med that load out Tomahawk. Since the President had ordered the military to come up with a method of getting ISIS, no real surprise there were AB destroyers. Trump hasn't been silent on the CF in Syria, so a quick reaction (a couple of days) isn't a surprise either.

Chem warfare practiced on an ad hoc basis (no mass attack) has as its primary focus to instill terror/confusion on the target. From a practical standpoint killing is easier and more efficient with HE.

The ME is a good place to use non-persistent CW because of the climate. He bombed east of the controlled areas so wind works for the Syrians.

From the photos I've seen there were containers consistent with CW at the airfield. The aircraft track was consistent with the area attacked. Assad has used CW before like his party-mate Saddam.

Or he was part of it and needed an excuse to “ show resolve”

If so, then what it doesn't really matter. Sounds like a truther position.

56 posted on 04/10/2017 8:38:41 AM PDT by xone
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