Posted on 04/02/2017 4:48:29 AM PDT by Kaslin
So are you going to move on getting Democrats to lose in 18?
Or are you only going to go after Republicans?
The American people have learned by now that if Congress doesn’t want the public to read it and understand it BEFORE it is passed into law, it’s corporate-sponsored garbage that is terrible for the public.
If it’s already passed the Senate why can’t Trump just sign it?
You sound like the kind of person who would be far more comfortable with having Eric Cantor there instead of Dave Brat.
Maybe it would be good for you to spend some time contemplating why one of the most powerful politicians in the nation - a key member of the notorious House GOP leadership, in line to have been Speaker right now were his career train not derailed by the voters - was sent packing by his constituents.
“maybe even 16 if you want to be branded a real conservative.”
28 years if you want to be branded a real conservative.
The Republicans have had 7 years to put in place a full repeal **and** address the points that you made.
These guys and gals are incompetent.
Don’t disagree. However, if Trump pandered anywhere on the trail it was most evident discussing health care. He said they would replace it with something so those millions on Obamacare did not immediately lose their insurance.
It has to start somewhere and they said this was “a start.” I am not ready to die on the hill of perfect and after listening to Tom Price I now understand that the door needs to be open for him to go in and deconstruct the bill. As it stands now his abilities are limited.
Where my coffee?
Can someone please explain to me why this Freedom Caucus member, who was against the repeal bill, was also against the 7 country travel ban?????
How do you call Rep. Justin Amash a hero for the health care bill, but not a ****ing traitor for being against the travel ban???
Come on all you FC lovers...explain this to me!!!!!
"Like it or not, the reality of the makeup of the House and Senate is that if you demand a purist repeal of Obamacare, it will die on the floor."
FR: Never Accept the Premise of Your Opponent’s Argument
With all due respect to Congressman Ted Poe, please consider the following.
While I agree with everything that Poe said about Freedom Caucus, he gave no indication in his article that he, or anybody in the legislative and executive branches, understands or respects the constitutional reality that the states states have never expressly constitutionally delegated to the feds the specific power to regulate, tax and spend in the name of INTRAstate healthcare.
After all, all that it takes to kill Obamacare is to argue the following clarifications of Congress’s limited powers by previous generations of state sovereignty-respecting Supreme Court justices.
“Congress is not empowered to tax for those purposes which are within the exclusive province of the States.” —Justice John Marshall, Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
"State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphases added]." -Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.
”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.
Trumpcare must kill Obamacare in the following way imo.
Patriots need to support Trump and Sessions in working with corrupt Congress to do the following. The Trump Administration must go through the books and remove all laws, particularly healthcare-related laws, that Congress cannot reasonably justify under its Commerce Clause powers (1.8.3), unconstitutional federal interference in intrastate commerce arguably helping to raise healthcare costs.
And if Trumpcare requires new constitutional powers then patriots must support Trump in working with the states and Congress to ratify a Trumpcare amendment to the Constitution, the amendment giving the feds specific new powers to regulate intrastate healthcare.
Drain the swamp! Drain the swamp!
Remember in November ’18 !
Since Trump entered the ’16 presidential race too late for patriots to make sure that there were state sovereignty-respecting candidates on the primary ballots, patriots need make sure that such candidates are on the ’18 primary ballots so that they can be elected to support Trump in draining the unconstitutionally big federal government swamp.
Such a Congress will also be able to finish draining the swamp with respect to getting the remaining state sovereignty-ignoring, activist Supreme Court justices off of the bench.
In fact, if Justice Gorsuch is approved but turns out to be a liberal Trojan Horse then we will need 67 patriot senators to remove a House-impeached Gorsuch from office.
Noting that the primaries start in Iowa and New Hampshire in February ‘18, patriots need to challenge candidates for federal office in the following way.
While I Googled the primary information above concerning Iowa and New Hampshire, FReeper iowamark brought to my attention that the February primaries for these states apply only to presidential election years. And after doing some more scratching, since primary dates for most states for 2018 elections probably haven’t been uploaded at this time (March 14, 2017), FReepers will need to find out primary dates from sources and / or websites in their own states.
Patriots need to qualify candidates by asking them why the Founding States made the Constitution’s Section 8 of Article I; to limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers.
Patriots also need to find candidates that are knowledgeable of the Supreme Court's clarifications of the federal government’s limited powers listed above.
Exactly right. Eric Cantor would have voted for the crap sandwich.
However, if we had not taken the weasel Eric Cantor out in June of 2014, the weasels he is supporting would have passed Rubio’s amnesty and there would be no President Trump.
That's the thing about these big political organizations. They can be easily influenced and infiltrated. And this organization is certainly not isolated from that.
>>>Can someone please explain to me why this Freedom Caucus member, who was against the repeal bill, was also against the 7 country travel ban?????<<<
See 91.
A: Because such a bill would die in the Senate.
Now if that's what you want, ok, but realize that it might not even put senators on record as having voted for or against. Why? Because in the Senate the bill might not even make it to the floor for a vote. It might be stalled permanently due to filibusters, holds, etc.
Conservatives have got to understand that the Senate is a dysfunctional body because, somewhere along the way, their rules became so distorted that they require 60 votes for almost anything. This is most definitely a double-edged sword. It helps the minority, but in our hyper-partisan times, it also stops the duly elected majority from getting anything done.
Filibusters are conservative.
Examine the Constitution. NOWHERE IN IT DOES IT INSTRUCT THE SENATE TO USE MAJORITY VOTES FOR LEGISLATION OR NOMINEES.
It specifies thresholds for impeachment and treaties, neither of which are 51 votes.
Theoretically, in a liberal or progressive world, 35 votes could pass legislation and nominees. That provides for rapid progressive change, not slow conservative change.
60 votes is conservative. You guys don’t seem to be.
There has never been a free market in insurance so get that idea out of your mind.
Let’s hear the supporters of the Lovers of Losers attack Poe as being a “sellout”, “joining the GOPe” and other such stupidities.
If one is not practical one is not a conservative just a crank.
What a load of crap no wonder Trump will campaign to defeat those who think like you.
Yup I get it....more so than the health care bill ...the travel ban goes directly to our security....to oppose that and be called a “Patriot” by the FC fans just doesn’t work for me. There is no way they can square that.
Good idea. Get elected to Congress and make that suggestion.
Yes. And yes again. Damned freedom cucks embarrassing Trump and the GOP. Thanks Meadows and others for Obamacare and planned parenthood funding, you greedy dbags.
Took guts and principles to write that.
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