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Emergency: California’s Oroville Dam Spillway Near Failure, Evacuations Ordered
Breitbart ^ | Feb 12, 2017 | Joel B. Pollak1

Posted on 02/12/2017 4:26:47 PM PST by janetjanet998

Edited on 02/12/2017 9:33:58 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Godzilla

What do you know about the condition/situation
with the hydroelectric part of the actual dam itself?
Information indicates the increased river level
has put that out of commission.

I have not been able to find any numbers for
how much water could move through there when it is operating.


1,081 posted on 02/15/2017 3:15:31 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (I was conceived in liberty, how about you?)
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To: EarthResearcher333

At this point I am wondering if the rain even matters. The dam seems to be on the verge of a failure cascade if not already. The main spillway cannot be shut off long enough to make the repairs so as long as the water flows, the earth erodes back towards the dam.


1,082 posted on 02/15/2017 3:17:31 PM PST by daisy12
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To: All

here is another video from today

its flipped or mirrored the other way..

but you can see dozers pushing dirt into the river between the damaged spillway and the DAM at the end....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahOEdiYj8z8#t=20m30s

warning: turn volume down..annoying music


1,083 posted on 02/15/2017 3:25:21 PM PST by janetjanet998
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To: janetjanet998

edit” post 1083 was from yesterday but the dozer action is interesting


1,084 posted on 02/15/2017 3:30:16 PM PST by janetjanet998
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To: Godzilla

The lake is only down 25 ft below the top and they’re already talking about reducing the main flow. Oh well.

Any idea why they’re not using the NG’s Chinook helicopters? Seems those heavy lift monsters would be the best fit to the job.


1,085 posted on 02/15/2017 3:50:55 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: janetjanet998

Strange...clearly visible at 18:05 minutes in the video.
(and afterwards after the video fades to black a couple of times)
I have no idea what they are up to, that is an entirely
different area from where all of the other activity is going on.


1,086 posted on 02/15/2017 3:51:04 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (I was conceived in liberty, how about you?)
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To: Grampa Dave; maggief; Mariner

Well, of course it eventually makes it’s way out to the San Francisco Bay.

I remember one year in the 90’s when it had snowed heavily in the Sierras followed by the “pineapple express” that melted the snow, the rivers raged and pieces of wood from broken-up structures floated their way all the way to an estuary inlet in the S.F. Bay by Menlo Park where I would walk every day. Pretty amazing.

If you can, please ping me on anything new that is breaking news on this preferably with a live steam video. Thanks.


1,087 posted on 02/15/2017 3:54:34 PM PST by Jim W N
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To: EarthResearcher333; Godzilla

Appreciate both your commentary.


1,088 posted on 02/15/2017 4:03:41 PM PST by meyer (The Constitution says what it says, and it doesn't say what it doesn't say.)
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To: mrsmith

where did you hear they may reduce the main flow??

thats not good...they may see more erosion happening


1,089 posted on 02/15/2017 4:12:32 PM PST by janetjanet998
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To: mrsmith

nevermind

explained here

around 13 min

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mp_YhYHJWM


1,090 posted on 02/15/2017 4:17:27 PM PST by janetjanet998
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To: janetjanet998; SE Mom; All

My internet is down until tomorrow afternoon. Please ping me with any breaking news.


1,091 posted on 02/15/2017 4:17:40 PM PST by maggief
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To: Jim 0216

I will try to remember.

Was that year of the January/Feb floods and non stop rain of 1997.


1,092 posted on 02/15/2017 4:23:29 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Concerned trolls/NeverTrumpsters, don't know to celebrate winning as they buy into fake news!!!!)
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To: All

they said they expect max inflows with this next storm only to be around 45,000 cfs

so if they maintain 100,000 cfs they still have a net loss of 55,000

so they don’t expect the lake to rise even after this first storm


1,093 posted on 02/15/2017 4:27:34 PM PST by janetjanet998
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To: EarthResearcher333; Godzilla

I recall my first time mentioning to a couple of geologists (from the same firm) that “Well - you’ll have to drill to make sure.”

They both laughed and said “Well, we’ll be sure if we only let one geologist look at the core. But most times if you have six geologists you’ll have six different answers!”

I know that was partly in jest, but as I’ve gotten more involved at geology meetings it is interesting the discussions and arguments that take place, and so many different theories on various issues. (Landslides is often a hot topic with various viewpoints). Most of the time respectful.

Thanks to both of you for your knowledge and viewpoints.


1,094 posted on 02/15/2017 4:37:49 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts FDR's New Deal = obama)
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To: janetjanet998

Good press conference.
Sounds like they are still aiming to get the level down 50 feet below max.
Certainly reasonable to reduce flow with that margin.


1,095 posted on 02/15/2017 4:45:26 PM PST by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: mrsmith

I don’t have much confidence in their estimations for reducing outflow.

At this stage they don’t need the helicopters. they’ve built a ramp down to the aux spillway apron area allowing heavy construction dump truck (Cat 730 & 740s) access to the area to dump rock.


1,096 posted on 02/15/2017 4:58:46 PM PST by Godzilla (1/20/2017)
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To: 21twelve
But most times if you have six geologists you’ll have six different answers!”

That person is a piker- you'd get between 10-12 different opinions

1,097 posted on 02/15/2017 5:00:20 PM PST by Godzilla (1/20/2017)
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To: Repeal The 17th
Information indicates the increased river level has put that out of commission.

If you look closely, all that debris/rock has formed essentially a dam at the base of the main spill way, backing water to the power house. When operating, they can put out 15K cfs

1,098 posted on 02/15/2017 5:02:51 PM PST by Godzilla (1/20/2017)
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To: Godzilla

Thanks!


1,099 posted on 02/15/2017 5:06:58 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (I was conceived in liberty, how about you?)
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To: Godzilla

LOL! Very true (Well, it looks like x, but, wait, there might be some y in there so maybe it’s Z?)

I recall in geology class the tests were to pass around a rock sample and had to say all the minerals in it, percentages, etc. and then name the rock. So maybe 6 or 7 line items, but if you got anyone of them wrong the entire answer (rock) was wrong. And probably 25 rocks per test in fifty minutes.

I recall one where most of us figured on something like 10 to 15% quartz or something. Most of us got it wrong. The professor says “Yeah it looks like 10%, but under thin section (which we didn’t have) it is really about 9 percent - so that’s why you got it all wrong.”

I’m guessing there was some lesson in that.


1,100 posted on 02/15/2017 5:12:25 PM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts FDR's New Deal = obama)
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