Posted on 01/29/2017 12:36:48 AM PST by naturalman1975
Why the HELL are they leaving these Islands??? Are they all Muslims?
Agree, I hope there is more to this story than is being reported. If any of these invaders cause trouble in the US, it will be on Trump and the Left will use the deal somehow to attack his broader travel ban and visa limitations.
Great policy.
Every refugee mentioned there has been Iranian. Several with profound mental illness.
Thank you for your excellent explanation.
It is the proper policy for Australia to have, and the U.S. should adopt something similar.
If Australia did not adopt and enforce such a policy, it would soon be swamped with third world immigrants. It would cease to be a part of Western civilization.
I appreciate your thoughtful and well written posts.
I have put in a call to Team Trump to see if we can confirm.
Thank you for the time & effort you put into the aussie immigration policy.
Excellent model.
Trump should adopt that poster.
I've seen mention of others at times. But the group you get to hear about in the media is not necessarily representative of the refugees as a whole. The media chooses who to publicise to push their agenda.
But even if they are Iranian, that doesn't automatically make them Muslim.
Think about it - who is more like to face persecution in Iran? A Muslim or a Christian?
A significant proportion of Iranian refugees are Christians. That's often why they are a refugee.
Here's an example for you. In this case, the man was not initially found to be a genuine refugee, and he was in Australia (not on Manus or Nauru) as he did not come by boat, but he was an Iranian Christian.
There are people of a wide variety of nationalities and a wide variety of religions in these camps. The largest religious group is Muslim, but that is not the same as them all being Muslim. And as I've said, I doubt it's the Muslims Australia has asked the US to take and I really doubt the US would have agreed.
No, they are not all Muslims - and in fact, as I've said previously if you read back, it's very likely none of the ones Australia has asked the US to take are Muslims.
The reason they are on these islands is because they tried to come to Australia unlawfully by boat without visas. They did not start out on either Manus or Nauru - Australia put them there in order to process their claims of asylum. In the case of these people, their claims have been found to be valid - they are genuine refugees. But Australian policy (for reasons I've explained previously) is that even if you are a genuine refugee, we will only take you if you follow the right procedures in seeking asylum in Australia. You don't get to jump the queue by turning up in a boat without a visa.
As they are genuine refugees, Australia will meet its obligations under international law with regards to refugees by doing what it can to help these people gain asylum in a safe country. But it cannot be Australia for these people.
Australia takes plenty of refugees - but we take them from camps overseas. We don't let them jump the queue by coming here illegally.
And no exceptions are made to that. When the Labor government did make some exceptions about a decade ago, the floodgates opened as people tried to come here by boat. When we don't make exceptions, most people stop trying. It secures our borders - but it also protects these people from a very real risk of dying at sea.
It would be nice to know for certain. I am 99% sure that they are not Muslim for the reasons I’ve explained but I can’t be 100% certain - the Australian government, as a matter of policy, won’t discuss the religion of refugees (if they did, they’d open up avenues for challenges in the High Court - and the High Court has a history of finding reasons to overrule the government when it tries to secure our borders - we have a rather activist, somewhat left leaning High Court right now). The US might be willing to discuss this more openly (although they also might understand the problems that could cause here, and be willing to try and stay quiet as well).
Australia doesn’t take anyone.
Have put a query into Team Trump as to whether these are Christians. No response.
Officially, 99.4% of the people in Iran are Muslim. Other religions Zoroastrian, Jewish, and Christian, 0.3%, unspecified other 0.4%.
Immediately after their revolution, big groups of Muslim Iranians came to the US and bitterly hated each other because they were of different political factions.
This being said, I suspect many of them have been encouraged to leave. Their drug abuse and mental illness rates are very high, as are the number of HIV+. Unlike communists, they do not make it hard to leave their country.
And they have a big portion of restive minorities: Arabs, Kurds, Baluchs and others they would not be sad to part with.
Did Trump cave and agree to take Australia’s rejected asylum seekers?
>>>”Australia doesn’t take anyone.”<<<
Incorrect.
“Fact check: Will Australia’s refugee intake in 2015-16 be the highest since WWII?”
“The Government has responded to the unfolding humanitarian crisis in the Middle East by announcing that Australia will take an additional 12,000 refugees fleeing Syria and Iraq.”
“The 12,000 places are in addition to Australia’s existing humanitarian intake for 2015-16 of 13,750.”
“Foreign Minister Julie Bishop told 3AW radio on September 10 that it was a big undertaking but the scale of the humanitarian crisis in Syria was unprecedented.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-29/fact-check-syria-largest-refugee-intake-julie-bishop/6786074
Australia’s intake during 2015-16 due to Syrian Civil War in total was: 25,750.
So, Australia does take substantial number of legal refugees and has increased its set quota very recently.
In fact, Australia is presently ranked 3rd in the world for its intake of legal refugees mostly through UNHCR.
NOTE: Although Australia has a large land mass, most of Central Australia is not habitable, and the existing infrastructure (housing, hospitals, schools, employment, and so on) currently cannot cope comfortably and reasonably with any more immigrants than mentioned. Of course the infrastructure is developing as usual along the coast and permanent rivers.
Who is most likely to be persecuted in Iran? Sunnis.
If they were Christian there wouldn’t be all the secrecy.
Bitter experience has taught Australian governments to do nothing on this issue that might get the activist judges of our High Court involved so they can 'discover' new rights these people have.
That's why we have to process them off shore in the first place - because the High Court decided that once they set foot on Australian soil, they have all sorts of extra rights somehow.
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