Posted on 11/11/2016 12:17:01 PM PST by tekrat
Hey lyin Ryan, you establishment hacks lost big. You’re not call the shots or making demands.
You mean my dad who fought in WWII? That kind of gimme?
How about repeal Obamacare...and just leave it at that?
Agreed.
So how much would private healthcare insurance for an 84 year old with heart problems and Alzheimer’s cost?
Seriously, we could treat it like life insurance. You get it and keep it for life. If you wait until you are old and/or sick to get it, it’s going to cost so much you may not be able to afford it.
People die. It’s part of life. The government has no obligation to use tax payer funds to supply health care subsidies for anybody, nor should they. Private citizens, out of their own sense of charity, should be the sole fix for this. This includes organizations put together by private citizens.
There are few things which would make Mr. Trump
LOSE HIS BASE.
Keeping the RAT Romney-Soros-Obama-toadie Ryan
is one of those.
How about repeal Obamacare...and just leave it at that?
If I was at all a fascist there is one thing I’d like to see the government do: sever the connection between health insurance and employer. i.e. make it like car insurance. The user is the purchaser. Employers can’t offer it as part of your benefits package.
guaranteed losing issue. People who wanted to vote for Romney voted against him just because of Paul Ryan wanting to tamper with Medicare...after Bush W lost Congress wanting to “partially privatize Social Security”....which Democrats & their ubliquitous media said was “gambling your money away on the stock market, so their friends on Wall Street could get richer.” Fact is, the American people LIKE SS and Medicare and we already have partially privatized Social Security in the form of IRAs and 401K plans. People don’t want Republicans messing with Medicare—which exists because free markets are ammoral, not moral-—and cannot solve every problem. People get old & infirm, get sick , injured, diseased and die. Either markets ration goods and services by price mechanism & risk——or the government does-——or else government helps people the market prices out of the system because they are bigger risk for sickness and death because of nature and nature’s God through no fault of their own. Old people couldn’t get insurance, which is why Medicare was created. By all means, debate the issue of what government should or shouldn’t do-—but drop the dogma & ideology. Just like we don’t have privatized street lights, lighthouses and traffic lights, cops, etc-——people didn’t like when GOP started running for office against the U.S. Postal Service and the people it employs. Trump got elected because people are sick of rigid ideology & anti-government hatred. Paul Ryan needs to chill. He cost us one election and the last thing we need is to lose the House in the midterm elections because probably Trump will not run for a second term.
About half the states already have tort reform and in none of them is their any evidence that it has reduced healthcare insurance premiums. Malpractice insurance premiums, yes.
I'm opposed to the removal of state line barriers for two reasons. The first is on constitutional grounds; registering insurance companies is a state issue and for the federal government to step in would be a violation of the 10th Amendment. Second, it would do nothing to lower rates. There is little if any incentive for me to buy insurance from a company not already doing business in my state, and even less incentive for them to sell a policy to me.
If I was at all a fascist there is one thing I’d like to see the government do: sever the connection between health insurance and employer. i.e. make it like car insurance. The user is the purchaser. Employers can’t offer it as part of your benefits package.
I have absolutely fantastic insurance through my employer as part of my compensation package. What you want to do is cut my income. Why should I be happy with that?
Salon is such a reliable source on any point.
Pall Ryno—das Menetekel an der wand.
Ryan’s last proposal did not touch the current system for people 55 and over. Even if Trump agrees to Ryan’s prior proposal, it will move younger people into a market based system. It will not take Medicare from retirees or people close to retirement.
Yes it would, as a person forced on Medicare but who pays for most of my stuff outside the system...it would be nice if they would at least approve of the labs a ND recommends.
They should start with getting rid of all the Medicare fraud. I hate all the commercials - get your free stuff, Medicare will pay for it - from companies trying to make a buck off of Medicare.
Paul Ryan is a LIEbertarian.
I made phone calls for Trump, and talked to seniors whose number one concern was Medicare and Social Security going away. They had no other source of income or healthcare.
The LIEbertarian stance is privatizing Medicare to solve the problem, but you can’t do that for current generations.
The only way to resolve the Medicare imbalance is to have the American economy go full throttle capitalism with pro-growth economic policy and focus all your efforts there.
This country paid for the rebuilding of the rest of the world. It’s enough. They need to start paying it back by investing in America. Because without America, they will slide back into the same communism, fascism, dictatorships, etc.
Obamacare doesn’t need gutted it needs repealed.. period.
As to privatizing medicare... as someone who works in health care industry, though not as a clinician, I can tell you, there is no easy fix or simple “market solution” to the medical industry.
Medicare is the 900 lb gorilla in the room... blanket privatizing it, will likely lead to things like ITT etc where folks are just taking advantage of naive folks and offering them little in return... and basically Billions will be siphoned off in fraud, largely from some of the most vulnerable in our population.
I know this isn’t what many of the market uber ales folks like to hear, but solving medicare funding and health care costs is a very very complex issue and flippant calls for “let the market handle it” solutions aren’t going to work.
I am not opposed to moving toward private industry involvement in the medicare space, but after watching the disaster that was Obamacare blow up the damn thing, not ready to jump on some flippant, let the market sort it out thing either.
Put some serious work into a well thought out plan and we can talk...
I’m sure Donald has forgotten nothing about who did what during the campaign, but I expect he will keep Ryan around for a while, as a way to weaken the #NeverTrump resolve of sabotage.
I have absolutely fantastic insurance through my employer as part of my compensation package. What you want to do is cut my income. Why should I be happy with that?
Also, your “fantastic” health insurance is in leu of higher pay. When I was a COBOL contractor in the late 90’s, I had two income choices: $55 an hour, straight wage, or $50 an hour with company health care insurance. I chose the former and purchased major medical insurance dirt cheap.
Where I work now, the employees make far less money than me but have great benefits. Meanwhile, my higher pay would allow me to enjoy their same benefits and still pocket more money.
i.e. if health insurance is no longer offered by employers, they would have to find other ways to bring qualified people in. One of those would be higher wages, which they could afford to pay since they were not buying health insurance.
If they can provide that coverage to the public in general, it would be a very good system for most and more affordable than most current alternatives.
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