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The Party Still Decides (Douthat: GOP Should Deny Trump No Matter What)
NY Slimes ^ | 3/12/2016 | Ross "Please Don't" Douthat

Posted on 03/15/2016 12:04:45 PM PDT by mojito

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To: mojito

If they do deny Trump, they will have denied and violated We, the People.


21 posted on 03/15/2016 12:58:42 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "We still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: mojito

As near as I can make out, the argument goes on something like this: Trump promises to do things once in office. This means he’s an authoritarian. This means he’s Hitler.


22 posted on 03/15/2016 1:12:20 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: mojito

If that happens the party is gone


23 posted on 03/15/2016 1:22:42 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: mojito

Let me put forth a modest proposal

Do away with primaries or make them an unbinding “beauty contest”. Each party can select convention delegates as they see fit, and the convention selects the nominee.

Upside: No two year election campaigns, no media circus debates and such, flexibility in the final choice about three months out.

Not “democratic” enough for “we the people”?
Get involved at the local level.

I am VERY dismayed at how electoral politics has become like the NFL


24 posted on 03/15/2016 1:43:14 PM PDT by Seajay (Ordem e Progresso)
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To: mojito

The “party” elite want to be the indisputable anointer of their candidate. There are several ways to try to accomplish that goal. First, torpedo Trump with vote splitting among Cruz, Kasich and Rubio, then hijacking the convention, then refusing to fund his campaign against the Dem candidate, and,finally, if he actually does get elected, then making sure he can’t accomplish anything as a president unless he dances to their tune. Short-term or long-term, the party elite will do whatever is necessary to protect their hegemony in Washington.

I have always voted Republican but I would be very open to a third party if any of this comes about to thwart the will of the voters.


25 posted on 03/15/2016 1:43:56 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: mojito

If Donald Trump wins the Republican nomination, all Hillary will have to do to win the presidency is declare that if Trump becomes president he will very likely deport immigrants.

That will energize every immigrant, particularly the large number of Hispanics in the Republican must-win states of Florida and Texas, to overwhelm the polling sites in November.

Such an outpouring of Democratic voters throughout the country will also be a great boost for Democratic Congressmen, governors, and other elected officials in their efforts to drive Republicans out of office and take over Congress and the states.

Donald Trump: Making America Great Again by Destroying the Republican Party.


26 posted on 03/15/2016 1:47:31 PM PDT by Bluestocking
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To: Seajay

The idea is to do kabuki theatre and spend money to attract the dumbest 10% of the 50-60% of eligible people who bother voting, the swing voters who supposedly decide all national elections. It’s hard to give any credence to the whole dumb system. All campaign money in the general is meant to influence the swayable, either to get swing voters to swing, or make folks stay at home in disgust, or to get a bigger turn out. So something they see on TV, or now the internet actually changed their mind to do something they weren’t going to do before. These folks could pick a good president, or not, but in any case the dumbest people were the ones who decided it.

It’s a wonder it actually doesn’t look worse than it does currently, considering.

Freegards


27 posted on 03/15/2016 1:56:45 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Arthur McGowan
As near as I can make out, the argument goes on something like this: Trump promises to do things once in office. This means he’s an authoritarian. This means he’s Hitler.

Trump promises to secure our borders and protect the sovereignty of the United States. That makes him a million times worse than Hitler.

The GOPe, Douthat, the Slimes, and the rest of the gang are all globalists, through and through.
28 posted on 03/15/2016 2:09:03 PM PDT by Deo volente ("NAFTA, GATT, WTO, New World Order." George Putnam, among others, warned us.)
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To: MNJohnnie
This “Brokered Convention” nonsense is the bargaining stage.

I so look forward to the liquid effluvia of the "depression" stage .... that will be nectar for me, and a tonic for the Republic.

29 posted on 03/15/2016 7:16:42 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("If America was a house , the Left would root for the termites." - Greg Gutierrez)
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To: Bluestocking
If Donald Trump wins the Republican nomination, all Hillary will have to do to win the presidency is declare that if Trump becomes president he will very likely deport immigrants.
That will energize every immigrant

Trump energizes natural born citizens, and they outnumber immigrants.

Advantage: TRUMP

30 posted on 03/15/2016 9:15:01 PM PDT by MaxFlint
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If the party pulls some BS, then they grant hunting licenses to their voters.

I’m not talking about if Trump falls short of 1237. If he has enough, the GOP commits ritual seppuku by stealing the nomination.

If Trump falls short, he will need to demonstrate his deal making skills.


31 posted on 03/15/2016 9:18:48 PM PDT by MortMan (Let's call the push for amnesty what it is: Pedrophilia.)
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To: xzins

I assume Republicans hold a 26 state majority in the House of Representatives.

How many states, exactly, if you know?


32 posted on 03/16/2016 12:37:09 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: mojito

So, he wants the gop to commit political suicide. Speaking for myself, I’m all for it. But I prefer to MAGA. So, lets wait on the political suicide for the gop for now. And who knows? After a Trump presidency having the gop go the way of the dodo bird may no longer be necessary.


33 posted on 03/16/2016 2:38:31 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat
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To: zeestephen

I think they’re actually over 30


34 posted on 03/16/2016 3:30:32 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Prayer for Victory is the ONLY way to support the troops!)
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To: zeestephen

Wikipedia is saying 32

Unlikely they would lose 7 state majorities in one election.


35 posted on 03/16/2016 3:51:18 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Prayer for Victory is the ONLY way to support the troops!)
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Ross Douthat knows that will never happen - because any attempt to wrest the nomination away from Trump would destroy the party.

The Democrats would win by a landslide and what’s left of the conservative movement would be rendered irrelevant.

Seriously, TDS is making the #NeverTrump movement’s minds deranged. They give no thought to the catastrophic consequences their hatred of Trump would unleash.


36 posted on 03/16/2016 5:00:04 AM PDT by goldstategop ((In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever))
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To: xzins
Re: “Unlikely they would lose 7 state majorities in one election.”

Agree.

I think the GOP House majority - in raw votes anyway - is safe until 2020.

In 2022, after the 2020 Census and redistricting, it will get much tougher.

The Census counts “all persons present,” which includes non-citizen permanent residents and illegal immigrants.

That will add Congressional districts to immigrant heavy states, like California, and to certain regions, like the 100% Democrat districts on the Texas-Mexico border.

I think it's likely the Senate will go 50-50, or an outright Democrat majority, after the 2016 election.

Since the Democrat Party always votes as a unified block, unlike the Republicans, that would mean the Supreme Court is political toast for Conservatives.

Also, I read that the Senate chooses the Vice President in the absence of an Electoral Vote majority, which I did not know.

I think it may be too late to turn the great "Ship of State" in a more Conservative direction.

For reasons I will never understand, a majority of Republican voters have enthusiastically supported massive LEGAL immigration for the past 30 years.

The price tag on that politically deranged decision is coming due, and it cannot be reversed, perhaps ever.

37 posted on 03/16/2016 10:27:38 AM PDT by zeestephen
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