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Healthcare Reform to Make America Great Again
TRUMP ^ | 3-2-2016 | Donald J. Trump

Posted on 03/02/2016 3:55:38 PM PST by sheikdetailfeather

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To: semimojo

Technically since Obamacare supposedly got everybody covered, there are currently no pre-existing conditions.

The issue would be people born after the Obamacare repeal who decline to buy health insurance and then develop a condition.

I think an idea talked about by Republicans was high-risk pools or something like that that would have higher premiums.


101 posted on 03/02/2016 8:56:45 PM PST by JediJones (TRUMP 6/18/2012 on Fox News: "We have to show some compassion. We just can't throw everybody out.")
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To: BenLurkin

What politician is going to take Medicaid from Grandma?


102 posted on 03/02/2016 9:27:07 PM PST by Marie (The vulgarians are at the gate! MAGA!)
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To: moehoward

That is nothing new. Unless your healthcare premiums are deducted from your gross pay (in which they aren’t taxed anyway), you can already deduct the cost of your health insurance premiums. See the last bulleted item here: https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc502.html

As it stands now, you can only deduct the medical expenses that are in excess of 7.5% of AGI. So if your AGI is $100k and you had medical expenses of $7501, you would only be able to apply $1 towards your deductions. And then all of your other deductions would have to add up to an amount greater than the standard deduction before you would see a reduction in taxes owed.

A great deal of out of pocket medical costs have to be borne before it affects the taxes we owe. What is really needed is to lower that 7.5% threshold.


103 posted on 03/02/2016 9:47:11 PM PST by RedWhiteBlue (Mama tried)
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To: moehoward

Whoops, I did not notice the word “fully.” We have always been able to deduct them subject to a 7.5% threshold, and it appears that premiums will be separate from the rest of the expenses and not subject to the threshold.


104 posted on 03/02/2016 9:57:42 PM PST by RedWhiteBlue (Mama tried)
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To: BenLurkin

Does Mr. Trump consider it sound public policy to remove government from health care entirely?

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I’m not sure it’s possible to do that all in one go without, as I’ve been known to put it, absolute bloody chaos.

If you have some idea on how to do this, let me know. I’m serious; I’m not mocking you. How can we get the government out, as is, without causing undue suffering and getting it past the nest of twits known as Congress?

But until then, I’m willing to take every single step in the right direction that I can get.


105 posted on 03/02/2016 10:07:38 PM PST by Luircin (The difference between lesser evil and greater good is who gets schlonged in the end.)
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To: FreeReign

Line item is 7 full throttle anti protectionism, which may not be a bad thing, but it’s out of character for Trump.

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If I remember correctly, Trump’s position is that he likes free trade up to a point, but there’s a difference between free trade and the United States getting ripped off.


106 posted on 03/02/2016 10:11:39 PM PST by Luircin (The difference between lesser evil and greater good is who gets schlonged in the end.)
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To: Amendment10

When patriots elect Trump, Cruz, or whatever conservative they elect, they also need to elect a new, state sovereignty-respecting Congress that will not only work within its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers to support the president, but also protect the states from unconstitutional federal government overreach as evidenced by unconstitutional federal healthcare programs, Obama’s or Trump’s.

Also, consider that such a Congress would probably be willing to fire state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices.

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In our defense, we tried to do that in 2002, 2004, 2010, and 2014.

Turns out they were lying through their teeth or ended up getting pictures of them in a hot tub with a pregnant bull REALLY fast.


107 posted on 03/02/2016 10:14:14 PM PST by Luircin (The difference between lesser evil and greater good is who gets schlonged in the end.)
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To: RedWhiteBlue

There are limitations. What Trumps plan would do is deduct the full amount as if we’re a business expense.

The left will squawk about inequity of Cadillac plans. So there will probably be some ceiling placed, still a great idea.


108 posted on 03/02/2016 10:28:30 PM PST by moehoward
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To: sheikdetailfeather

“Here it is in writing.”

Yet, the screed of the evildoers still will be that “Trump has no plans or policies”.

I hate those people!


109 posted on 03/03/2016 2:39:51 AM PST by MayflowerMadam ( If the word, "SENATOR" is before his name, he is part of the PROBLEM.)
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To: wbill

“Wish that he shovel less BS and present more ideas like this one”

Have you bothered to read his Policy papers which have been on his website for months?

His rhetoric will tone down to an executive level now that Christie is there as junk-yard dog. He’s used the tone he’s needed to since announcing his candidacy, and his presentation will change for this next step along the way.


110 posted on 03/03/2016 2:47:15 AM PST by MayflowerMadam ( If the word, "SENATOR" is before his name, he is part of the PROBLEM.)
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To: JediJones
Technically since Obamacare supposedly got everybody covered, there are currently no pre-existing conditions.

Not exactly. Pre-ACA, being insured for a condition was no guarantee that you would remain covered if you changed insurance plans, or even if your insurance company chose to drop you at the end of your annual contract.

As a practical matter if you had group insurance through your employer you wouldn't have a problem, but the individual market was brutal.

I have personal experience of being unable to get insurance, at any price, when COBRA coverage expired, despite having been continuously covered for over 30 years.

You're right in that with the ACA insurance companies don't even ask about your medical history when writing policies any longer, but I assure you that if the ACA is repealed people with medical problems in their past will be right back where they started.

111 posted on 03/03/2016 6:10:05 AM PST by semimojo
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To: RedWhiteBlue
Unless your healthcare premiums are deducted from your gross pay (in which they aren’t taxed anyway), you can already deduct the cost of your health insurance premiums.

Unfortunately, that's not the case.

If you re-read that last bullet the deduction only applies to long term care insurance premiums.

Regular medical insurance premiums aren't deductible for individuals.

112 posted on 03/03/2016 6:15:48 AM PST by semimojo
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
It's entirely pro-American and perfectly inline with all his policies. Healthcare providers charge us x10 the amount in comparison to what they charge for the SAME medicines in other countries.

On average prices are 3 or 4 times higher, not 10.

Both parties are complicit with these companies to keep us trapped under their monopoly.

Not sure what monopoly you are talking about, we have several hundred US drug companies.

Good trade policy protects the industries we want and are strong and loosens trade in areas that benefit us the most. The idea that Trump wants zero trade is dumb and only imagined by the "Free Trader" cultists who hate him for opposing TPP.

The idea that somebody here is claiming that Trump wants "zero trade" is a dumb strawman fallacy imagined by hypersensitive Trump cultists.

113 posted on 03/03/2016 7:21:19 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: Luircin
If I remember correctly, Trump’s position is that he likes free trade up to a point, but there’s a difference between free trade and the United States getting ripped off.

US pharmaceutical companies employ close to a million people in this country and spend billions on research. Prices are cheaper in other countries because countries with socialized medicine negotiate prices and control patent law in those countries. Thus it's the US consumer who winds up paying a large share of the billions required for research.

As always there's a fine line between a company being able to make a profit and being able to produce new drugs.

US consumers being able to purchase cheaper drugs from foreign countries may or may not make it unprofitable for US drug companies to pay for future research. It's a fine line and there is no magic solution.

114 posted on 03/03/2016 7:29:43 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: sheikdetailfeather

bkmk


115 posted on 03/03/2016 10:12:04 AM PST by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: FreeReign

3x, 4x, makes no difference to me. I was being hyperbolic, though I know of medicines in Mexico that are 10x cheaper there than here. Though how you acknowledge the 3x number and deny their stranglehold on us, I do not know.


116 posted on 03/03/2016 11:13:50 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: FreeReign

As for the “research makes it more expensive here,” just a few months agoa company backtracked and reduced the price on AIDs medicine after the company raised the price by hundreds of dollars. It was only noticed because it toughed the sacred homo class. The guy who made the decision in the company was a former slimy hedge fund manager, and it was admitted there was no financial reason for it.

You have to be really naive to think that the reason it costs more than a thousand dollars to make snake bite medicine, when it costs a hundred or so in Mexico, is because socialism forces companies in other countries to lose money with every snake that gets harvested.


117 posted on 03/03/2016 11:23:07 AM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: semimojo
That IS true. Unfortunately, at this time, they and other medical expenses are subject to a threshold of 7.5% of AGI. Read the sentence again:

"Payments for insurance premiums you paid for policies that cover medical care OR for a qualified long-term care insurance policy covering qualified long-term care services.

Every year I use Turbotax. Under the section for medical expenses, one of the first questions it asks me is if I pay any medical insurance premiums that are not reimbursed by my employer, and it asks me to enter that amount. A few more questions are asked and entries made, and then it asks if we paid any long term care insurance premiums and to enter that amount. (Which we do, if I ever end up in a nursing home I don't expect taxpayers/strangers to pay for my nursing home expenses, it's the ethical and politically conservative thing to do).

Those are clearly both allowed as deductions. The issue is that they are subject to the 7.5% threshold so you can only deduct the amount of medical expenses that over 7.5% of AGI. That's a lot out of pocket before you ever get to deduct anything.

118 posted on 03/03/2016 2:27:23 PM PST by RedWhiteBlue (Mama tried)
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To: RedWhiteBlue
Those are clearly both allowed as deductions. The issue is that they are subject to the 7.5% threshold so you can only deduct the amount of medical expenses that over 7.5% of AGI.

You're right.

The only point I'll add is if you and you're spouse are under 65 the threshold is 10% of AGI.

119 posted on 03/03/2016 3:14:39 PM PST by semimojo
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