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Why So Many Historians Agree With Ted Cruz On Gold
Forbes ^ | February 9, 2016 | Nathan Lewis

Posted on 02/09/2016 11:40:04 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: babble-on

“In that time we also had depressions, recessions, inflation and soaring national debt.”

Not to the degree we have experienced since the Federal Reserve took over.

There will always be natural economic cycles to contend with, but now we suffer through both the natural cycles and the artificial effects of incompetent government interference in the natural cycles, which never serve to alleviate them, and instead only exacerbate them.


21 posted on 02/09/2016 12:01:58 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

The amount of currency would be a defined ratio between the amount of money and the amount of GEOs. Congress could increase the amount of money by altering the ratio. Thus Congress would set the amount.


22 posted on 02/09/2016 12:02:13 PM PST by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: PGR88

Fiat money is a dangerous tool which can be used for socialist purposes, but it also allows the phenomenon of a monetary wealth that is backed by the breadbasket.

What we do with such a thing is up to us.


23 posted on 02/09/2016 12:03:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: taxcontrol

“Congress could increase the amount of money by altering the ratio.”

So essentially, it wouldn’t be much different than the current system, except that Congress would devaluing our currency when it was politically expedient, rather than the Fed doing it for them.


24 posted on 02/09/2016 12:03:35 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: babble-on
In that time we also had depressions, recessions, inflation and soaring national debt.

Prior to the start of the Federal Reserve, US recessions were sharp, short, and generally limited to banks and speculators. Since the start of the Federal Reserve, we have had great depressions and world wars. Since the US Government finally threw off all restraint when it delinked from gold in 1971, we have had stagflation, a tech bubble and bust, and housing bubble and bust, a great recession, QE and ZIRP and financial repression. The economic record is far WORSE. If you like government and preferred banks being able to steal your money through control of the money supply, the our present situation is for you.

25 posted on 02/09/2016 12:05:23 PM PST by PGR88
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To: DannyTN
Gold doesn’t make money sound. Just look at the fluctuations in gold price.

If you want to identify the muddle-heads, just start a discussion of the Gold Standard!

It's not the value of GOLD that is fluctuating! It's the value of the FIAT DOLLAR!

26 posted on 02/09/2016 12:05:32 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: HiTech RedNeck

More muddle-headedness.

It doesn’t take much gold to run a gold standard.

Anyone who says “there isn’t enough gold” is betraying total ignorance of economics and the nature of money.


27 posted on 02/09/2016 12:07:45 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Now if somebody manages to find an astounding vein of new gold in a mine, he will happily accept fiat money to purchase it and he will get very rich.

Good point. I often watch Gold Rush on Discovery. Folks that are actually digging for gold every day. Once they get it, they can't wait to turn it into dollars. But if you look at the bigger picture, you'll realize that gold or dollars have no value at all without the work that goes along with getting either of them.

28 posted on 02/09/2016 12:08:21 PM PST by abb ("News reporting is too important to be left to the journalists." Walter Abbott (1950 -))
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To: DannyTN

gold is about $1,200 an ounce today. the $1,200 can earn interest supposedly, so try this: put $1,300 and a 1-ounce gold coin in your drawer. next year, see which buys more...


29 posted on 02/09/2016 12:10:11 PM PST by wny
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To: Arthur McGowan

Oh by all means bring out the statistics and prove me wrong on my basic tenet which is: there is not enough gold if sold at today’s prices.

If you want some kind of symbolic thing which would symbolize $1000 of money with $1 of gold, well knock yourself out. But I would not call that a gold standard.

The very fact you have to stoop to insults is a worse voodoo than fiat money is.


30 posted on 02/09/2016 12:10:14 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
but it also allows the phenomenon of a monetary wealth that is backed by the breadbasket.

"Monetary Wealth" is a fiction. It is bubbles supported, temporarily, by the power of the Federal Reserve to manipulate money markets, soviet-style, and (for the time-being anyway) acceptance of the US Dollar as the world's reserve currency. That will end because our politicians will eventually bury us in debt. You will then know what "monetary wealth" means to a Venezuelan, Russian or Argentine. Wealth is produced only two ways - by producing more, via more inputs, or greater productivity and technological advancement.

You don't accept leftist central-planning of our food or medical supply - why do you accept it for the most basic commodity of all - money?

31 posted on 02/09/2016 12:10:28 PM PST by PGR88
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To: PGR88

And why does it mean that to these people? Because their governments have gotten so stupid they interfere with supply. They are not supply siders.


32 posted on 02/09/2016 12:12:09 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: PGR88

I.e. you can’t ask for your money to be backed by the breadbasket and then expect it to mean anything when you then choke the breadbasket.

You folks are confusing issues of what ought to be (whatever that is) with what is real and actually happens.

The bible never treated the matter. It didn’t have to and it would have been out of character. Caesar could have made his coins out of snot and it would not have changed the dynamics. Notice the insults to which so many people stoop to support their doctrine du jour.


33 posted on 02/09/2016 12:16:24 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: GodGunsGuts; HiTech RedNeck
Read the writings of Dr. Edwin Vieira for explanation of the Founders' Constitutional money system.

Search his other writings on Constitutional matters for more.

34 posted on 02/09/2016 12:17:47 PM PST by loveliberty2
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To: loveliberty2

Thanks for the links!


35 posted on 02/09/2016 12:18:53 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

strong banking principles and a great place to start.

auditing the fed...

why not an oil standard.


36 posted on 02/09/2016 12:20:20 PM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Is Cruz pushing Goldline now with his buddy Beck?


37 posted on 02/09/2016 12:20:38 PM PST by patq (Teddy Cruz is All Talk and No Action)
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To: loveliberty2

People are always busy pontificating on a matter that turns out to depend on sheer belief.

There could theoretically be a people who didn’t care about gold.


38 posted on 02/09/2016 12:21:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: babble-on
So many historians agree with Ted Cruz on gold because they know nothing about economics, or history.

I know that if the currency is fiat, it will be debased. This lesson is older than Rome.

Do you know this bit of economics and history?

39 posted on 02/09/2016 12:22:22 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Boogieman
These same economists are perfectly happy with a system that led to the great depression, the great recession, constant inflation, soaring national debt, etc.

It wasn't the gold standard that led to the great depression, is was a too free lending policy.

40 posted on 02/09/2016 12:23:32 PM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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