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The Establishment Is Dead
Townhall.com ^ | February 4, 2016 | Ben Shapiro

Posted on 02/04/2016 9:54:05 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: dforest

Cruz is one of them?

The lengths you have to go to reach that assessment are worthy of the X-Files or Ancient Aliens.


21 posted on 02/04/2016 10:27:51 AM PST by Outlaw76 (Conservative, Showman, Rino. Make your choice wisely.)
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To: Kaslin
Ah, if only. And Shapiro recognizes it too.

That doesn't mean the establishment can't rise from the grave...

There's no grave. The establishment will cede ground only where it has to in order to remain the establishment. They are still very much at the levers of power, the latter are simply pushing back a little more than they used to.

It isn't about the candidates. It's about the ability to (1) influence the selection of the candidates, and (2) affect the behavior of the selectee once in place.

A case in point: Paul Ryan, one-time putative savior of the Tea Party wing who is now...without using pejoratives that will get me banned, no longer a savior of anything except the established powers that be. There is absolutely no guarantee that any candidate, Cruz or Trump or Rubio, cannot be turned from their stated positions if the correct pressure is found. People who place their trust in the unbending virtue of individual politicians are kidding themselves.

22 posted on 02/04/2016 10:33:49 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: nickcarraway

Lewandowski is Trump’s guy. Does that mean that he will flip Trump?


23 posted on 02/04/2016 10:57:35 AM PST by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: TheCause
What makes you think Trump needs to be flipped? Trump didn't hire Lewandowski by accident. I don't believe Trump would be tough on illegal immigration at all. And he is in an industry that profits from illegal immigration. he can even keep from letting amnesty slip out as he is campaigning.

TRUMP: Undocumented Workers Can Stay ... BUT ONLY IF THEY WORK HARD

24 posted on 02/04/2016 11:10:45 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: woofie
I can't stand Rubio because he is pro illegal invasion. Our borders have been erased by Obama. Our nation is in crisis. Rubio is a toxic traitor with regards to the illegal invaders, and I cannot abide him just for that.
25 posted on 02/04/2016 11:16:57 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: dforest

Yeah, I like Shapiro, but what is he smoking?

This is all playing out PERFECTLY for the establishment. Trump melts down and 28% think Cruz is Canadian.


26 posted on 02/04/2016 11:27:24 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: TTFlyer

As long as the staffers and bureaucracy of Washington are alive the establishment is alive. You can’t kill it but you have to restrict it’s access to power which they now have and will not relinquish willingly. It has to be taken from them and they have to be brought down a notch or two in their own estimation. Some prosecutions and serious jail time for the bureaucracy and elites would go a long way in reigning in these thugs with white collars.


27 posted on 02/04/2016 11:35:02 AM PST by sarge83
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To: Outlaw76

He is one of them. He is just not liked because they think he used the Senate for his own personal gain.

Cruz has some of the same donors as they all do and he will owe those donors.

They didn’t give him that money for nothing.


28 posted on 02/04/2016 11:56:29 AM PST by dforest
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To: Kaslin

The Titanic done sunk. Only the deckhands appear to be oblivious. The revolution is here and now.


29 posted on 02/04/2016 12:18:54 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: woofie

You might find the la Raza forum more to your liking.


30 posted on 02/04/2016 8:23:21 PM PST by Pelham (Marco Rubio (R-Amnesty). Boy Wonder of the GOP elite.)
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To: detective

“He has never stood up for a cause or an idea”

Sure he has. He stood up for amnesty.


31 posted on 02/04/2016 8:25:05 PM PST by Pelham (Marco Rubio (R-Amnesty). Boy Wonder of the GOP elite.)
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To: Pelham

You know there was a man named Ronald Reagan who actually signed into law what you call amnesty....blame it on the Democrats at the time or say Reagan got “taken” in the whole thing...Still Reagan was in charge when it happened

i don’t see anybody hating him.


32 posted on 02/04/2016 9:41:10 PM PST by woofie
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To: woofie

I don’t hate Reagan but I sure do hate what that amnesty did to California.

Not to mention that neither GHW Bush nor any of his successors ever implemented the punishments that were part of that amnesty bill. Which was one of my first clues as to how duplicitous and corrupt the GOP is.

Reagan signed a very destructive amnesty bill. Those who want to repeat it, like Marco Rubio, put the desires of lawbreaking foreign nationals ahead of Americans. They are no better than Obama, and to hell with them.


33 posted on 02/04/2016 9:54:38 PM PST by Pelham (Mullah Barack Obama and the Jihad against America)
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To: Pelham

Im in New Mexico and a lot of old Mexicans and old New Mexicans and even some younger ones are around here.

I have different view of politicians and how they wrangle with all this probably cause Im in the thick of it.Rubio is young, he’s hispanic and wanted to make a name for himself...I think it burned him real good and i think he learned something from it...I guess Im more forgiving because I don’t have many expectations


34 posted on 02/04/2016 10:06:30 PM PST by woofie
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To: woofie

“Rubio is young, he’s hispanic and wanted to make a name for himself...”

He was just doing what he had always been doing.

Rubio as Speaker of the Florida House killed any bills dealing with illegal immigration.

He’s someone who sees no problem with rewarding mass lawbreaking by foreign nationals if he thinks he can benefit from it. He’s corrupt.


35 posted on 02/04/2016 10:29:05 PM PST by Pelham (Mullah Barack Obama and the Jihad against America)
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To: nickcarraway

The fix is in. I think I’m gonna be sick.


36 posted on 02/05/2016 8:22:52 AM PST by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: stanne

The label CONSERVATIVE has been hijacked by GOPers. I am a NATIONALIST. Conservative doesn’t work for me anymore. Kasich, Rubio, Bush, Fiorina, Christie, Ryan, McConnell, McCain, Graham, Will, Krauthammer, National Review, Weekly Standard, Red State, FNC, etc, call themselves Conservatives. I hold very different views then these people, publications, networks. They are GLOBALIST. I am anti-globalism/NWO. I am for America First. I am for American Sovereignity. I am anti-illegal immigration. I want the borders closed. I am anti-TPP. I am against Muslim refugees entering the country. I am anti-neo-Con Foreign policy. I am a NATIONALIST! These are my priorities.


37 posted on 02/05/2016 12:20:35 PM PST by virginia9000
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