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Will ‘Electability’ Sink Trump?
Roll Call ^ | Jan. 3, 2016 | Stuart Rothenberg

Posted on 01/03/2016 8:53:05 PM PST by justlittleoleme

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To: SmokingJoe

Can Cruz win New York? Zero chance. Trump? 50/50.


81 posted on 01/03/2016 11:17:41 PM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: justlittleoleme

Been there, bought that stupid tactic. It won’t work this time. It should never work. Voters should make their pick and not let other people’s bully theories dissuade them. If we choose badly, we choose badly. At least let it be on principle and not on strategic power grabbing.

Where our attention should be is on stopping the cheating was of the left. I believe they will try to cheat and steal their way to victory.


82 posted on 01/03/2016 11:23:49 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

I live in New York. Now why don’t you show me ANY poll that has Trump tied at 50/50 with Hilary in New York. There is no such poll.


83 posted on 01/03/2016 11:25:19 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: SmokingJoe

This is the same stupid argument that McCain and Romney used.

“Electable” Republican candidates lose because they alienate tens of millions of disaffected conservative voters who end up staying home instead of voting for GOPe candidates.

Only by appealing to Evangelicals, Tea Partiers, and Constitutionalists will a Republican presidential candidate win the crucial swing states of Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin.


84 posted on 01/03/2016 11:27:17 PM PST by Menthops (If you are reading this..... the GOPe hates you!)
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To: Menthops
This is the same stupid argument that McCain and Romney used.

It isn't, and you are foaming at the mouth. Further, it was you and other Trumpbots that first of all claimed that Ted Cruz was not electable but Trump was, when in reality, it's the other way round.

“Electable” Republican candidates lose because they alienate tens of millions of disaffected conservative voters who end up staying home instead of voting for GOPe candidates.

The only real conservative running is Cruz not Trump. Trump is every bit as liberal as Romney was.

85 posted on 01/03/2016 11:33:03 PM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Menthops
Only by appealing to Evangelicals, Tea Partiers, and Constitutionalists will a Republican presidential candidate win the crucial swing states of Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin.

I doubt that. I find it hard to believe "tens of millions" of conservatives stay home.

However, I can't think of a single "celebrity" candidate who lost their first general election.

86 posted on 01/03/2016 11:33:43 PM PST by papertyger (-/\/\/\-)
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To: SmokingJoe

Both Trump and Ted Cruz are the only candidates who can beat Hillary.

However, Trump will do the most damage to the GOPe.

While beating Hillary would generally be a positive, the political destruction of the GOPe and their candidates should be the most important priority in 2016.


87 posted on 01/03/2016 11:38:14 PM PST by Menthops (If you are reading this..... the GOPe hates you!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yup. Bush will flatten Hillary. But, of course, Trump towers over him.


Sounds like Bush is a winner... as a Democrat.


88 posted on 01/03/2016 11:42:12 PM PST by Flick Lives (One should not attend even the end of the world without a good breakfast. -- Heinlein)
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To: Theo

Think? OK, I’m thinking “Gee, the media would never attempt at derailing a leading GOP candidate by playing a “lead them to the slaughter” game with polling numbers ... Nah, the liberal establishment hacks would NEVER do that!”

Look, Theo, the only “poll” that counts is the one that occurs in the voting booth. So, you go stump for your guy, Senator Cruz, and I’ll support mine, Mr. Trump.” That’s how the game is played ... And, if your man wins the nod, I’ll gladly give him my thumbs up.

We all can well enough “think” for ourselves, so please stop insulting our intelligence.

Thanks.


89 posted on 01/03/2016 11:44:59 PM PST by WTFOVR (I find myself exclaiming that expression quite often these days!)
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To: only1percent

There are just as many low-information men as there are women!


90 posted on 01/03/2016 11:51:46 PM PST by erkelly
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To: editor-surveyor

Oh pulleeeeze!

Get off your high horse. Nobody is impressed with your “simplistic” appraisal of the electorate, except perhaps for yourself - but I doubt that requires much in the way of genius.


91 posted on 01/03/2016 11:53:02 PM PST by WTFOVR (I find myself exclaiming that expression quite often these days!)
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To: goldstategop

You forgot to mention that liberal married women, liberal single men, and liberal married men will also vote for Hillary!


92 posted on 01/03/2016 11:54:24 PM PST by erkelly
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To: goldstategop

Hitlary has no following. She can’t fill a 5000 seat auditorium

This is false propaganda.

Trump followers are busting down doors to see him!

The math doesn’t figure...


93 posted on 01/03/2016 11:57:26 PM PST by ChiMark (America no more)
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To: SmokingJoe

See post 51 in this thread.

Says elect-ability is the easiest part of a poll to skew and explains why.


94 posted on 01/03/2016 11:59:20 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: justlittleoleme

>> I definitely agree with that...

That’s a contradiction to the observations you expressed in your post #1.


95 posted on 01/04/2016 12:09:14 AM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: SmokingJoe

The ONLY NY poll to date is from Siena in September and has Hillary beating Trump 55-36 in this lost cause of a state.

RINO Romney lost the state 63-35.
RINO McCain lost the state 62-36
Bush lost NY 58-40 vs. Kerry in ‘04 and 60-35 vs. AlGore in ‘00

The last Republican to win NY was Reagan in ‘84.

I hate NY, for exactly that reason.


96 posted on 01/04/2016 12:09:49 AM PST by NYRepublican72 (Democrats -- it's always someone else's fault.)
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To: DannyTN

I am talking about how Cruz and Trump do in general election matchups with Hilary Clinton. Cruz does much better against Hilary Clinton, yet the Trumpbots insist on polluting every Cruz thread with the fiction that Cruz is too conservative to win against Hilary Clinton. Meanwhile, Cruz is tied or beating Hilary Clinton in the last 3 polls.


97 posted on 01/04/2016 12:09:53 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: NYRepublican72

That pretty much sums it up. The very idea of Trump being tied at 50/50 with Hilary Clinton like that poster claimed is ridiculous. That’s why I demanded he show me such a poll.
I simply don’t see how Trump beats Hilary in New York.


98 posted on 01/04/2016 12:15:06 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: editor-surveyor
Cruz crowd in Fort Dodge, IA:

Trump crowd in Council Bluffs, IA:


Trump rally Beloxi, Mississippi
1-2-2016


99 posted on 01/04/2016 12:15:10 AM PST by lewislynn ( You know you're a Muslim if everything offends you.)
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To: SmokingJoe

I suspect the polls are being manipulated. If I was a democrat, I’d vote for Cruz in the poll in hopes the GOP nominates him instead of Trump. I don’t know how you avoid that sort of manipulation.

Regardless of the polls, I see no logical reason Cruz would pull more democrats than Trump. Trump has very proactively reached out to blacks, hispanics, and women. And Trump’s protection of American industries and of police officers plays well with unions.


100 posted on 01/04/2016 12:15:38 AM PST by DannyTN
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