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The Oregon militia standoff shouldn't end in bloodshed
Hot Air.com ^ | January 3, 2016 | TAYLOR MILLARD

Posted on 01/03/2016 4:13:57 PM PST by Kaslin

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To: redgolum

Your “facts” are wrong.


121 posted on 01/04/2016 5:29:32 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
Wideawake... Hmmm. No list of duties? That is all that the Constitution is. omg..

"omg"?

The Constitution describes the structure of the federal government, the powers granted by the people to the federal government, the scope of federal law and jurisdiction, the method of adopting and amending the Constitution, and is followed by the Bill of Rights.

There is no "list of duties" in the document.

122 posted on 01/04/2016 5:37:48 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Wpin
You are ignorant of the facts...

If you were knowledgeable concerning them, you would have something interesting to say.

123 posted on 01/04/2016 5:38:29 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Elsie
Then you pay the rent property taxes.

Property taxes have been the reality of the Western world since the Roman republic.

Remember that one holds one's property either according to the law, or according to how much strength one has to prevent others from taking it.

124 posted on 01/04/2016 5:40:22 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Okay, so we’re arguing over definitions now. Does the federal government have a basic duty to serve the nation? Yes. Has it been given a list of the powers available to it in order to fulfill that duty? Yes. Can those powers therefore also be described as duties? Who freakin’ cares.


125 posted on 01/04/2016 5:42:07 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: DoodleDawg

I sometimes feel like the people on FR are only here to limit their guilt for inaction. Why would the Feds KEEP the land in the first place? What great national need is served here? Why not cede the land to the States and let THEM decide how to use the land? Isn’t that PRECISELY the theory of the Republic? MORE power to smaller units- people, family, church, county, state, etc. LESS power to the central power? Why is this hard to understand?


126 posted on 01/04/2016 5:46:28 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: wideawake

Go back to the basics.
1. The Law, Fredric Bastiat.
2. The Federalist.
3. Common Sense, Thomas Paine
4. Declaration of Independence
Should take you a week.


127 posted on 01/04/2016 5:49:15 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
Why would the Feds KEEP the land in the first place?

Because it's theirs?

Why not cede the land to the States and let THEM decide how to use the land?

Why not let the states buy the land and do with it what they will?

128 posted on 01/04/2016 5:51:08 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: mad_as_he$$
The feds took the land

They purchased it. Important distinction.

129 posted on 01/04/2016 5:52:32 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

If you pay taxes on land you do not own it, you are a renter. This is a basic concept. Some States do NOT have property taxes, proving that your idea that they are a necessity to be patently without merit.


130 posted on 01/04/2016 5:53:51 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
Okay, so we're arguing over definitions now.

Calling the Constitution a "list" is not just a semantic error, it's a factual one.

Can those powers therefore also be described as duties?

No they can't.

A power is something that you may use.

A duty is something you must perform.

131 posted on 01/04/2016 5:55:03 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Meaningless, mindless drivel. It matters not how the land was acquired, what matters is it disposal. The Feds maintain control of land that serves NO NATIONAL PURPOSE. It is therefore antithetical to the BASIC idea behind the Constitution.


132 posted on 01/04/2016 5:55:47 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: wideawake

Like I said, meaningless, mindless, drivel. The Federal government serves itself. This is not the purpose of its existence. It’s PURPOSE, or DUTY, is to use the few enumerated powers it was GRANTED to serve the STATES. The States are responsible for the PEOPLE within their borders. No thinking individual would have thought at the time of the Founding that the framers would have presumed that the federal government had any jurisdiction over any individual within the borders of any State. SAME for the lands within the States.


133 posted on 01/04/2016 5:59:36 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
Go back to the basics

I don't need to reread documents I have already closely studied, although I do like to reread The Federalist for pleasure from time to time.

I am not the one who mistook the Constitution for a list.

134 posted on 01/04/2016 6:00:23 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

After they devalued it.

Here is how they operate:

http://www.landrights.org/ActionAlerts/HageMorrison_120904.pdf


135 posted on 01/04/2016 6:00:43 AM PST by mad_as_he$$
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To: wideawake

OMG... The powers enumerated are a list of ... I give up. Wake up Neo.


136 posted on 01/04/2016 6:00:57 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
If you pay taxes on land you do not own it, you are a renter. This is a basic concept.

No, it isn't.

Our entire legal system of land ownership is based on the common law, and almost all private land in the US is held in fee simple.

Some States do NOT have property taxes

But almost all municipalities do, even if the state itself does not.

It is a very rare thing in the Western world to pay no property taxes of any kind.

your idea that they are a necessity

Oh, I don't think they are a necessity. But the power to tax is essential to fee simple land holding.

137 posted on 01/04/2016 6:05:54 AM PST by wideawake
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
OMG... The powers enumerated are a list of ... I give up. Wake up Neo.

I see English has escaped you as thoroughly as your powers of argument.

Again, the government is not obliged to exercise all of its powers at all times.

You are confusing obligation with ability.

138 posted on 01/04/2016 6:08:51 AM PST by wideawake
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To: tumblindice

A fair point.


139 posted on 01/04/2016 6:10:39 AM PST by wideawake
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
It matters not how the land was acquired, what matters is it disposal.

So if someone were to decide that you were not disposing of your land properly, they are entitled to use it the way they would prefer?

No, I'm afraid how land was acquired matters very much.

140 posted on 01/04/2016 6:15:34 AM PST by wideawake
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