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Lindzen: A recent exchange ... clearly illustrated the ... nature of .... of global warming alarm
wattsupwiththat.com ^ | December 26, 2015 2 hours ago | Guest essay by Dr. Richard Lindzen, MIT

Posted on 12/26/2015 9:02:07 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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1 posted on 12/26/2015 9:02:08 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Really had to chop up the title to get within the word limit.


2 posted on 12/26/2015 9:04:12 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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fyi


3 posted on 12/26/2015 9:05:43 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

FOOLS defending FOOLS


4 posted on 12/26/2015 9:07:27 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

There is no man made global warming and there has always been and always will be climate change...also not man made!!!


5 posted on 12/26/2015 9:09:04 AM PST by ontap
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Definition of “sophistry” -

: the use of reasoning or arguments that sound correct but are actually false
: a reason or argument that sounds correct but is actually false

There is no redeeming social benefit anywhere for the attribution of global warming (or cooling, for that matter) to anthropogenic sources. Locally, human activity may cause things like dirty water or dirty air, or acute problems with distribution, but the overall patterns of the equations of heat gain and loss exist apart from and independent of the actions of mankind.


6 posted on 12/26/2015 9:19:41 AM PST by alloysteel (Do not argue with trolls. That means they win.)
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Or charlatans defending charlatans, or maybe fools defending charlatans, or even charlatans defending fools.


7 posted on 12/26/2015 9:23:45 AM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Global Warming, its not the validity of the argument but the Volume that seems to matter.


8 posted on 12/26/2015 9:30:03 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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9 posted on 12/26/2015 9:47:27 AM PST by aquila48
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47 thoughts on “Lindzen: A recent exchange in the Boston Globe clearly illustrated the sophistic nature of the defense of global warming alarm”

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daveandrews723 says:

December 26, 2015 at 6:51 am

But those 8 scientists are “saving the world”, don’t yuo know? Just ask them. Oh, and they have also built very nice careers for themselves with the HUGE increases in climate science grants over the past couple of decades. Those junkets to Paris, Copenhagen, etc. aren’t cheap. But only a cynic (skeptic) would accuse them of putting their egos and self-interest ahead of science.

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Santa Baby says:

December 26, 2015 at 9:00 am

No they are not saving the World. They are in fact destroying the World in order to save Marxism?

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Goldrider says:

December 26, 2015 at 9:30 am

Soooo . . . let’s write a rebuttal and dispute them, point by point. That’s what it’s going to take for the average newsbag to start dismissing this stuff as the sophistry it is.

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jayhd says:

December 26, 2015 at 7:09 am

“limited understanding and short-sighted interpretation of basic elements of climate science”

What is “climate science”? From what I have read and observed, most of the climate scientists who perpetuate the AGW hoax are anything but scientists. Pre-eminent among them is Michael Mann, who refuses to release his data and methodology. Mann has no problem suing those who disagree with him, but refuses to answer interrogatories from those he is suing. And rather than debate the merits of their science and findings, the AGW proponents resort to name calling, personal attacks and attempt to stifle debate on the subject through legislative and governmental decree. So to me, “climate science” is on par with astrology and phrenology. In other words, it’s not science.

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10 posted on 12/26/2015 9:56:43 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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11 posted on 12/26/2015 9:57:52 AM PST by Ditter (God Bless Texas!)
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David L. Hagen says:

December 26, 2015 at 7:20 am

Lindzen eloquently exposes the “climate shmexperts”! See Marc Fitch Shmexperts: How Ideology and Power Politics are Disguised as Science

We are constantly bombarded with studies and so-called expert opinions that are contradictory, controversial, and ineffective

Fitch explains why we need to apply common sense critical thinking to sift the “wheat from chaff” in such exchanges.
The Younger Dryas evidence Lindzen cites is expertly addressed by Don Easterbrook.

12 posted on 12/26/2015 10:03:57 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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13 posted on 12/26/2015 12:44:51 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Terrorism, the thing that shall not be named by the MSM)
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Dr. Lindzen always comes off as a solid scientist and
has spoken up against all the sophistry and bad science
dealing with the GW, AGW, now Climate Change real issues.
Good man for sure.
14 posted on 12/26/2015 12:48:56 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......but alas! Honor must be earned...)
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So to me, "climate science" is on par with astrology and phrenology. In other words, it's not science.

That's a little overboard. I don't recall astrologists or phrenologists acting like bratty spoiled children when someone disagrees with them. Nor have they acted like fascists trying to use the power of government to punish those who do.

15 posted on 12/26/2015 1:10:45 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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By the time the ice accumulates enough to notice via thousands of year old proxies, the civilization is already wiped out. First comes the weather change, then comes the collapse of civilization, followed years later by the ice accumulation. The weather changes are already beginning. The curved and collapsed jet stream. Bringing a blizzard to New Mexico right now.


16 posted on 12/26/2015 1:56:34 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The use of the name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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Dr. Lindzen always comes off as a solid scientist and has spoken up against all the sophistry and bad science dealing with the GW, AGW, now Climate Change real issues. Good man for sure.

I agree.

The current MIT administration should pay more attention to Prof. Lindzen, their former Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology who retired in 2013 than to the eight MIT authors whose article Lindzen effectively critiques. The MIT administration appears to favor the anthropogenic global warming / climate change hypothesis and the need to take action to stop possible deleterious effects of global warming. At least, that is my assessment of their communications to alumni like myself. If I'm correct, they are putting MIT's scientific reputation at substantial risk of having succumb to scientific sophistry.

17 posted on 12/26/2015 2:27:47 PM PST by rustbucket
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we’re in
PHX, just finished being at an outside Mall, It’s CHILLY KOLD out.


18 posted on 12/26/2015 2:34:22 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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RE: "...they are putting MIT's scientific reputation at
substantial risk of having succumb to scientific sophistry.

And that in itself would be a real tragedy in essence.
19 posted on 12/26/2015 3:26:11 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......but alas! Honor must be earned...)
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It may be a case of follow the money. About 58% of campus research funding comes from the Federal Government. See: Link
20 posted on 12/27/2015 7:27:19 AM PST by rustbucket
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