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St. Louis man who shot 13-year-old would-be thief is charged with gun crime [Story Update]
STL Today (Post Dispatch) ^ | December 18, 2015 | Christine Byers

Posted on 12/22/2015 8:53:13 AM PST by Da Bilge Troll

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To: Purdue77

A fatal shot with a .380 from across the front yard and across the street (probably about 70 feet)? I’d say you’re right.


21 posted on 12/22/2015 9:27:15 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God)
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To: RoadGumby

I have a friend who ran away with his girlfriend. He was 18 or so and she was around 16. He was charged with kidnapping and can never own a gun for the rest of his life. He’s cleaned up and is a very good, godly man. He can’t protect his family.


22 posted on 12/22/2015 9:31:57 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God)
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To: Moonman62

One is Free or a criminal. The latter, requiring jail and/or probation, does not have the Rights of the former.

So, unless we have tiers of ‘classes’ in the U.S., there is no in-between and thus, no ‘crime’.


23 posted on 12/22/2015 9:34:38 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: MileHi

Yet, ponder the charges of those that break our immigration laws, overstay their visa, mail/voter/tax fraud....

More freedoms for the law-breakers than the lawful?


24 posted on 12/22/2015 9:37:31 AM PST by i_robot73 ("A man chooses. A slave obeys." - Andrew Ryan)
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To: i_robot73
Yet, ponder the charges of those that break our immigration laws, overstay their visa, mail/voter/tax fraud....

Those are acts of love, right?

25 posted on 12/22/2015 9:49:45 AM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: demshateGod

Paraphrasing Atlas Shrugged:

There is no way to control an innocent / free person. Therefore, we need to make you all criminals. Therefore we need MORE laws, so many that you cannot comply with them all, just as we want. Once you are all criminals, stand by.


26 posted on 12/22/2015 9:52:31 AM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: Moonman62
That shouldn’t prevent you from owning a firearm.

In Missouri convicted felons can't own firearms. It is what it is.

27 posted on 12/22/2015 9:58:49 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
In Missouri convicted felons can't own firearms. It is what it is.

Maybe the point is that being in arrears on child support shouldn't be a felony. The whole family court thing is stacked against men, so I could see this happening pretty easily, and BAM! Felony.

28 posted on 12/22/2015 10:04:31 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: demshateGod

Agree. But, once you are in the “system” it is VERY hard to get free from it.


29 posted on 12/22/2015 10:06:03 AM PST by Fundamentally Fair (Pictionary at the Rorschach's tonight!)
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To: Disambiguator
Maybe the point is that being in arrears on child support shouldn't be a felony.

Again, it is what it is. But even without the child support charges the two weapons charges from 1989 were felonies themselves.

30 posted on 12/22/2015 10:12:22 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Telepathic Intruder

It’s sadly amusing that Mama’s comment strongly implies prior experience watching her son commit crimes. She’s so dumb she assumes everyone else knows whatever she does.


31 posted on 12/22/2015 10:19:06 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: Purdue77

A bit too good for me to believe, and I think it’s BS to hype the sad story of Lil’ Dindu’s demise. A 70+ foot shot is possible, but why would the police accept that McDade was in “reasonable fear for his life” at that distance. I smell a journalist at work.


32 posted on 12/22/2015 10:23:08 AM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: MileHi

Arrears in child support deserves a public stockade with lots of rotten tomatoes and repossessing his property but it’s far from a felony charge, imo.


33 posted on 12/22/2015 10:32:54 AM PST by bgill (CDC site, "We still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: Da Bilge Troll
While I was in law school in the late 80's there was a documentary released on PBS Frontline that covered jury deliberations from a criminal trial in Milwaukee. There was a standing offer from a UW Law Professor to any Judge/Jury/Prosecutor/ Defense, that if all parties agreed, video would be recorded of the jury in deliberation. It took years to find a set of participants willing to agree, but when it did happen, the subject matter of the trial was a charge of a felon in possession of a gun.

The defendant was a fellow stopped on the street by the police. When they asked him to turn out his pockets, a receipt from a gun store fell out. By that time they had run a background screen and it was clear that he was a convicted felon. They asked him where the gun was, and he told the police it was at his home. The police told him to go home, get the gun and bring it to the local precinct house. He did that and was arrested on the spot and charged with being a felon in possession of a firearm.

The jury deliberations were edited down slightly to fit into a 1 hour documentary. It was a slam dunk case, in which the jury ended up returning an acquittal - a perfect example of jury nullification. The defendant was a very poorly educated man of manifestly low IQ. The jury was sympathetic to him, and simply ignored the evidence and the law and acquitted him.

34 posted on 12/22/2015 10:33:08 AM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: Oberon

Yeah. The first thing you want to do when dealing with potentially dangerous criminals is yell at them. That’s the ticket. /s


35 posted on 12/22/2015 10:33:48 AM PST by Politicalkiddo ("How many observe Christ's birthday! How few, his precepts!"- Benjamin Franklin)
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To: bgill

Quite right


36 posted on 12/22/2015 10:36:33 AM PST by MileHi (Liberalism is an ideology of parasites, hypocrites, grievance mongers, victims, and control freaks.)
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To: Moonman62

Agree. Do we lose first, fourth, fifth amendment rights because of a conviction? Shouldn’t a libel verdict be grounds for demanding you stop speaking? A felon? No more right to a warrant. Etc. Can you imagine if the same principle were applied to abortions? No, can’t interfere with a fundamental right. But any excuse to keep people disarmed and helpless, even if they might need it more because a felon might not get to live in the best neighborhood.


37 posted on 12/22/2015 10:56:30 AM PST by Defiant (RINOs are leaders of a party without voters. Trump/Cruz are leaders of voters without a party.)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Disgusting.


38 posted on 12/22/2015 11:07:22 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Chewbarkah

If he was smart he would have robbed her instead, since she knows what to do.


39 posted on 12/22/2015 11:17:37 AM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

Moral of story: never live in St Louis


40 posted on 12/22/2015 3:05:45 PM PST by doldrumsforgop
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