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US-Backed Syrian Rebel Group on Verge of Collapse
Stars & Stripes, via Military.com ^ | December 14, 2015 | Slobodan Lekic

Posted on 12/15/2015 11:03:47 AM PST by Timber Rattler

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To: Parley Baer

I thought the “down to 5” group was a group of fighters we trained in Turkey who were supposed to meet up with this group in Syria.


21 posted on 12/15/2015 11:45:57 AM PST by cincinnati65
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To: Timber Rattler

After only getting 5 folks to train for $50 million dollars, the government is just now figuring out the “group is on verge of collapse?”

But John Kerry has been focusing on glolbulwarmingchange which is a bigger threat and thus lost track of Syria stuff.


22 posted on 12/15/2015 11:45:57 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Timber Rattler

They all defected to ISIS as planned.


23 posted on 12/15/2015 11:50:59 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: tumblindice
“He hasn’t done anything right yet.” As far as Cloward-Piven goes, he’s on a roll.

The same sort of "success" that a monkey wrench would have if tossed in a bunch of gears.

Idiot Obama can only achieve Cloward Piven. An idiot can't do anything else.

24 posted on 12/15/2015 11:51:51 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Timber Rattler
... is the biggest and most secular of the scores of rebel groups fighting the Assad government.

What does most secular mean???

25 posted on 12/15/2015 11:52:07 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (With Trump & Cruz, America can't lose!)
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To: SpaceBar

A security and espionage organization will always be necessary, but it must NEVER be permitted to exist as an unaccountable shadow government. That has got to ended. The tail has been wagging the dog for years.


26 posted on 12/15/2015 11:52:40 AM PST by Psalm 144 (100th anniversary of Turkish genocide against Armenian Christians during WWI)
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To: Timber Rattler

The Russians say about 5,000 of the “moderate rebels” have joined Russia and the SAA in battling Daesh ... “rebels” who join them at this stage have a shot at being included in the reformed Syrian government if and when it’s formed

Even though the US did not provide the FSA introductions Lavrov requested 2 months ago, it seems the Russians have been finding ways and means to make a deal with some of these splinter groups

Aparently the RUAF and Russian land and sea launched cruise missiles have been effective recruitment tools


27 posted on 12/15/2015 11:52:59 AM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: Timber Rattler

From the article:

FSA fighters are losing faith in their own leaders.

“They regularly steal our salaries,” said Salabeh, “We’re supposed to get $400 a month, but we only actually receive $100.”

“If somebody is wounded, they just dump him in Jordan and abandon him,” he said. “Widows of martyred fighters also receive nothing after their deaths.”

By contrast, the Nusra Front (the al Quaeda Local) reportedly pays its fighters $1,000 a month and cares for its wounded members, paying their medical bills and providing for the families of those killed in combat.

...a self-described FSA supporter, said the opposition’s main problem was that various groups owed their allegiance to foreign governments that provide the money.”

It looks to me like the Saudis are withdrawing funding for some of their mercenary surrogates (FSA), as part of a deal.

Installing a Muslim Brotherhood dictatorship has flopped, time is running out on the Obama Admin, and the Saudis are surrounded and bleeding red ink.


28 posted on 12/15/2015 11:55:09 AM PST by BeauBo
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To: silverleaf

“Even though the US did not provide the FSA introductions Lavrov requested 2 months ago, it seems the Russians have been finding ways and means to make a deal with some of these splinter groups”

My guess is that the Saudis handed them over, after cutting a deal with the Russians. The Saudis have been paying their salaries.


29 posted on 12/15/2015 11:58:41 AM PST by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

My guess is they got tired of hiding in ruined buildings and whispering aloha snackbar everytime they heard a jet or helo and sent emissaries to pledge their groups’ loyalty to a new warlord

I see hints in social media that Assad has been fairly liberal about offering asylum to some of those who surrender without killing their attackers. Remember that some of these “FSA” are really defected army personnel, seculars not rabid islamists, who might have bought a Turkish-CIA line about overthrowing Assad but now see the SAA well fed, well armed, motivated, and kicking butt backed by what they must now see, to them, as the world’s most powerful military


30 posted on 12/15/2015 12:08:23 PM PST by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: silverleaf

“I see hints in social media that Assad has been fairly liberal about offering asylum to some of those who surrender”

Roger that.

The Syrians and the Russians have publicly offered to take former rebels back in. Some whole units have cut deals with the regime (such as handing over big parts of Homs).

On an individual basis, the Saudis are laying off, and the regime is hiring. Buying (or selling) loyalty is cheaper than fighting to the death, and it is a common Arab practice.

And as you point out, it is starting to look more like a losing position to fight the Assad regime. Native Syrians have their families to worry about as well. It is important for them to end up on the winning side.


31 posted on 12/15/2015 1:02:03 PM PST by BeauBo
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To: Timber Rattler

Which Fake Obama backed Syrian Rebel group would that be again


32 posted on 12/15/2015 1:23:29 PM PST by butlerweave
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To: Timber Rattler

That’s what happens when you let OFail watch your six. :-)


33 posted on 12/15/2015 1:26:07 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Timber Rattler

Wars are never ended by negotiations; they are won when one side surrenders unconditionally to the other side.


34 posted on 12/15/2015 2:49:18 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: Timber Rattler

eliminating ISIS is FSA focus is a LIE


35 posted on 12/15/2015 3:34:16 PM PST by 4rcane
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