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US Air Force Might Buy 72 new upgraded F-15 2040C or upgraded F-16 Fighter Jets
Next Big Future ^ | November 29th, 2015 | brian wang

Posted on 11/29/2015 8:12:51 PM PST by Mariner

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To: TomasUSMC
84 F-15SAs destined for Saudi Arabia

We should keep the planes and send them nukes.

21 posted on 11/29/2015 8:40:45 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Chode; Pukin Dog

We can still ping him!


22 posted on 11/29/2015 8:48:42 PM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: SaveFerris
his homepage is gone so i don't think the ping goes anywhere
23 posted on 11/29/2015 8:55:33 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - Luke, 22:36)
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To: Mariner

15s backing up 22s is a common sense approach for once.


24 posted on 11/29/2015 9:02:39 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

“Is the F22 still bogged down by that Oxygen problem?”

No details, but someone here says that has been 100% done.


25 posted on 11/29/2015 9:04:04 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: Mariner

The only thing they should be buying is F22s.

Thousands of them.


26 posted on 11/29/2015 9:14:01 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...
slightly related sidebar:

F-16s Could Fly for 92 Years In theory


27 posted on 11/29/2015 9:14:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: IDFbunny

“The F15 and F16 are outdated compared to the SU-37.”

I’ll give the Russians solid credit when its due. But I don’t agree. First, with the SU-37, they have built a grand total of 2. And the Russians love the extremely slow maneuvers where someone comes to a dead stop in the air...etc. Great for airshows, but you are almost autodead if you try a stunt like that and let your energy state get that low against an F-15.

Second, the SU-37 has the stealth of a B-52. At best, the SU-37 roughly equals a 15,,,,,, 40 years later. And that’s if the claims are true. We’ve been down this road with the MiG-25.
It wasn’t nearly what it was assumed to be.

To be honest, against an Israeli or USAF pilot, I think an F-16 could go against it all day long. Aside from sensors, there isn’t that much improvement to be made as long as you have a human in the plane.
And true advance will be a drone. That is where new realms of speed and maneuverability will be realized.


28 posted on 11/29/2015 9:17:09 PM PST by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,")
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To: Mariner

Only AFTER we get this anti-American Fascist out of office.


29 posted on 11/29/2015 9:24:16 PM PST by G Larry (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants.)
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To: poinq

Interesting, during the Syrian Civil War, Assad’s military lost half of their planes and helicopters because their bases where they were stored were seized and destroyed by the rebels.


30 posted on 11/29/2015 9:27:29 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: IDFbunny
"The F15 and F16 are outdated compared to the SU-37"

The F-15C would kill SU-37's at will. Especially since 2 of the were ever built or will ever be built. Only 40 of the SU-35 have been built.

The F-15c is still the second best fighter in the world after the F-22.

31 posted on 11/29/2015 9:37:45 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: G Larry

You have to get rid of the Fascists that support him out of the country, too.


32 posted on 11/29/2015 9:40:28 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: volunbeer

“The F-15 and F-16 are proven systems we already know.”

So aren’t the P-51 and F-86.
Should we keep buying them?


33 posted on 11/29/2015 9:48:39 PM PST by oldbill
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To: Mariner

Excellent news? Why? They’re not built, yet. Who’s going to fly these “planes”? The Muslim Brotherhood?


34 posted on 11/29/2015 9:50:20 PM PST by RedHeeler
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To: Mariner

The biggest problem with the F-35 is that it was sold as a fighter to replace the F-16 (originally a high maneuverability day fighter) and F/A-18 (grew out of the F-17 dayfighter that lost to the F-16) rather than as a stealthy light-attack successor to the A-7, F-117 and AV-8B.

It’s going to turn out to be a much better platform than people think, when considered as a stealthy light attack plane first, and a fighter somewhere a bit further down the list.


35 posted on 11/29/2015 9:51:04 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: Chode

Pukin Dog! There’s a name from the early FR days! What happened to him?


36 posted on 11/29/2015 9:57:45 PM PST by The Westerner
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To: oldbill

The F-15 is still on top based on what I have seen in comparison to our foes. Russia has capable aircraft, but still think we come out ahead with the F15 and American trained pilots and the rest of the team. The F-16 is still considered a top-shelf aircraft with an American pilot and in a top to bottom comparison to the F35 the upgraded F16 still comes out on top based on what I have read.

The F22, assuming they fix the oxygen problem, is where we should put some of the F35 money. Keeping and upgrading the A-10 would be a smart use of the F35 budget. The F35 is supposed to be the “do everything plane” and I am fearful it will be the “does not do anything well” plane.

UAV’s are the future in my opinion so scrapping the F35 - filling some gaps with upgraded planes already in the fleet will get us there. Putting all our eggs in the F35 basket appears to be a mistake to me, but what do I know - I was Army, but I have read a good bit on the F35 because it is such a huge program and budget line - we can’t afford to get it wrong.

Hard to compare older aircraft with planes that are still successfully fulfilling the mission right now.


37 posted on 11/29/2015 9:59:57 PM PST by volunbeer
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"Who’s going to fly these “planes”? The Muslim Brotherhood?"

The MB flying USAF assets?

Yeah, sure. That'll happen. In somebody's delusional nightmare.

38 posted on 11/29/2015 10:07:57 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: The Westerner
he retired some years back...
39 posted on 11/29/2015 10:08:34 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - Luke, 22:36)
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To: Chode

Even so, you can still see the pings. ;)


40 posted on 11/29/2015 10:23:39 PM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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