Posted on 10/28/2015 7:33:59 AM PDT by ScottWalkerForPresident2016
Only under the terms and direction of those supervising the building. Let them try breaking in on a Sunday and see what kind of "right to be in the building"there is. Remaining in a place they have been told not to be is trespass if they refuse. Under your scenario the pupil could refuse to leave and stay there all weekend and there would be nothing anyone could do about it. In fact you are saying a student can do whatever they want and nobody can do anything about it. And again,refusing to obey a teacher, principal and then a police officer when told to leave would constitute disorderly conduct and or trespass. period.
Criminal trespass is defined as "a person who knowingly or intentionally refuses to leave the real property of another person after having been asked to leave by the other person or that person's agent" That's exactly what the kid.
This is the dumbest meme of the hood supporters.
Next time one of Oungo's sons breaks into your living room and pees on the floor...
He's not an immediate threat; but I'd love to be there to see how you handle it.
I would never inconvenience an entire class in deference to a worthless piece of ****!
But that's just me.
Not only NO!, but HELL NO!
Musical classrooms for the terminally clueless.
If hypotheticals frighten you that badly, you should spend more time in a closet...
: )
No. It was proportionate, considering the instigator’s “’tude’”
There was a time when a father could discipline his daughter by acting just like this sheriff's deputy did. However, if a father disciplines his daughter in that manner these days, he will more or less automatically be arrested and taken to jail on a domestic violence charge.
There was a time when a husband could discipline his wife by acting just as this sheriff's deputy did. However, if a husband disciplines his wife in that manner these days, he will more or less automatically be arrested and taken to jail on a domestic violence charge. It would not be a defense to argue that the wife was in fact disobedient.
Should a sheriff's deputy have more latitude than a parent or husband to act this way when a child is disobedient? Who do you trust more to discipline children - police officers or parents? I think this case raises interesting questions like that.
Times have changed. Fathers and husbands have lost many of their rights to discipline disobedient children and wives in ways that were once considered legitimate.
LOL!
Playing the race card twice!
My dogmatism trumps your prejudice?
Seriously?
Times have not changed in my circles. Ever.
None of the horrors you cite in your reply ever existed in my universe! Then, or now.
Nice Red herring, though.
None of the horrors you cite in your reply ever existed in my universe! Then, or now.
Nice Red herring, though.
I didn't cite any horrors. I merely pointed out that the state has curtailed the rights of fathers and husbands to discipline disobedient family members. Times have changed whether you recognize it or not. If you live in the United States, the laws and traditions governing the conduct of fathers and husbands have been altered in your "circle."
And, so the question arises, who does the state trust more to discipline disobedience of a child or wife? Who do you trust more - the father or the state?
Until recently, our traditions (including our Biblical teaching) entrusted the father with responsibilities that the state has now stripped from fathers. I'm not comfortable with the State exercising disciplinary functions that a father or husband now lacks. I trust parents more than the police when it comes to disciplining mere disobedience.
The dept and school did not want an Obama justice dept team harassing them.
Try trespass and interference with an officer.
I understand, but I believe’excessive’ has everything to do with context. If I were on the jury I would vote ‘not.’
Call "Rev" Al. You'll fit right in.
A school cannot push a child onto the street without supervision. They don't allow non-approved adults to pick up children, so why do you think they can just order a child out during school hours? That's why I said detention room if not the classroom.
This was not a case of after-hours refusal to leave. But let's for a moment entertain the idea. Would you think a teacher's first reaction to a child who doesn't want to leave school would be to call the police to drag the child out, or would the teacher first wonder what the child was afraid of and call the counsellor or child protective services?
Leaving the classroom is not leaving the school, I don't think the teacher in a classroom has the same property rights to call it trespass, and a police officer has no business enforcing a teacher's "rules" under color of authority.
-PJ
“Just black and minority students will get away with it...”
Then, of course, they’ll p*ss and moan that it’s due to ‘racism’ they can’t get jobs, not sheer stupidity, social backwardness, and utter lack of education. The Democrats will respond by passing more giveaways in exchange for make-work jobs, expecting (and getting) votes in return, and the dumbing down of America will continue to reduce standards everywhere.
That is the future of multi-racial America.
She was a student at the school so she was not trespassing, just like you can not have your unruly child at your house arrested for trespassing either. You could not get a jury in the world to civic a child not suspended from school for trespass for being at their school during school hours.
She did not interfere with an officer either. She was sitting in a desk.
I guess you might argue she failed to obey an order. Though I am not sure how it is a lawful oder for a cop to order a child out of their assigned classroom. Also I have not heard that this “resource officer” was trying to arrest her. Had he done his job and stood her up and marched her to the office, he would have his job still.
In mine the teacher would have handled it. Usually the same way the cop did. There weren't many second offenses.
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