Posted on 09/30/2015 11:35:42 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
You’ve just cited an inconvenient truth. People forget that we fought a bloody civil war to overturn one particular Supreme Court decision.
Can you think of even one significant issue where they disagree? Do you think it is just a coincidence that Donald Trump was a heavy financial backer of Mitt Romney in 2012? And fairly early on?
Yes, they are having a falling out now, but that is over style. Trump feels, and probably rightly so, that Romney blew a very winnable election with his Casper Milquetoast approach.
“the people are the final arbiters”
Read the link. It is a compelling and persuasive argument that the Constitution represents a compact between the states (who had to ratify the Constitution to give it legal life) and the feds. Bypassing the states actually leads to federal tyranny. The people are the masters and in control of their individual states who in turn are the liaison between the people and the feds via the Constitution.
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/dunkin/150302
Bottom line is this is a solid argument for state nullification of unconstitutional federal acts which is where we stand at this point in time in our history. Even if you disagree with the argument, individual nullification takes you nowhere except the Big House. You need the protection of the state to nullify unconstitutional federal acts. At least with state backing, you have a fighting chance.
If no state does what they should, then we’re all on our own anyway and Jesus will probably come sooner than later. But I think were going to see tyranny turned back for a time here before it all comes crashing down.
Our republican constitutional system is supposed to have multi-layered checks and balances on power.
The States, which possess dual sovereignty with the general government - each with their own characteristic set of powers and obligations reserved to them - are without a doubt key components of that system of checks and balances.
But again, ultimately the people are sovereign under God.
Both the individual States and the United States are the creation of We the People, as a sovereign body.
Yes, but it is a logical progression of local government to national government, starting with individual government of himself, to individuals collectively governing his state, to the states governing the feds.
Remember, in the case of the creation of the U.S., the Constitution was ratified, not by the people directly, but by the states. So, in the compact and origination of federal power via the Constitution, it is the states that ratified and gave the feds that power and it is the states that can and should nullify unconstitutional federal acts that breach that compact.
The states remain sovereign outside its constitutional limits while the feds ONLY power is WITHIN its constitutional limits.
I hope you read the link.
If you read the very first words of the Declaration of Independence and of the U.S. Constitution, and George Washington’s Farewell Address, you see that the States and the general government are both creations of the whole body of the American people, working in concert.
“IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776. The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America...”
“We the People of the United States, in Order to...”
“Citizens, by birth or choice, of a common country, that country has a right to concentrate your affections. The name of American, which belongs to you in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of patriotism more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles. You have in a common cause fought and triumphed together; the independence and liberty you possess are the work of joint counsels, and joint efforts of common dangers, sufferings, and successes....”
— George Washington, Farewell Address
The Declaration of Independence is not a mandatory legal document in the U.S. The Constitution is. The Declaration of Independence is a notice to the world of the validity of American independence and is a valid template for secession if any state gets to that point.
You’re not addressing the points I’m making about this subject of the states and the people. Although I think you may have a very good point about SCOTUS, you’re failing to reason with me about the states and people thing.
I’ve excerpted some of the article I provided to you, but feel like saying read it and what I’ve said and even if you disagree after reading it, tell how the practical application of nullification of unconstitutional federal acts can be done by an individual rather than by a state.
If you’d do your homework, you’d also find that Trump supported Ronald Reagan and John McCain. He supported Romney because he was the nominee. Your argument is silly.
Through my work and through my volunteer work I come in contact with a large share of homosexuals/bisexuals.
I have taken my family to picnics and other social events where homosexuals have been, in decent numbers.
I have yet to have anything happen to myself or my family in any way. About the worst is sexual escapade stories (Rated PG) no worse than anything I heard at the frat in college.
Maybe I am not getting why you feel that they will not leave me and mine (or yours) alone. I do not get asked to convert unlike some religions, I do not get telephone calls for vote for them like I do with government wannabes, If they come to my business and need one of my services, they are customers.
What have they destroyed of mine and how are they going to harass me if I treat them as God has asked?
The Declaration of Independence is the first part of the organic laws of the United States, codified.
But they’re destroying our republican form of government, and our First Amendment rights, and striving to force acceptance for their abominable acts on us and on our children.
They’re destroying the moral basis of the country.
If you think all the things you love about America can survive the removal of those foundations, again, you’re naive.
It's not a question of "either/or." It's a question of "all of the above."
Tyranny and usurpation must be fought on every single front.
And those who have sworn the oath of office, and therefore bear governmental responsibility, have a special obligation to fight back within their legitimate sphere, be it at the local, the state, or the federal levels.
He supported Romney before he was the nominee.
No, the DoI is not codified anywhere. The Constitution, not the DoI, is the Supreme Law of the Land. However, the principles stated in the DoI are fleshed out in the Constitution AND I believe the DoI is a template for valid state session if any state ever gets to that point.
Thanks for the discussion, but I think I’m done here about the states and people thing until I get some indication you’ve read and thought about the stuff I’ve said and provided.
Give it up will you? He also supported Reagan before he was the nominee. He allowed him phone banks and even flew him personally in his jet to Albany so he could get on the ballot in NY. You have tunnel vision and it is blinding you.
That's not tunnel vision. That's realism.
I have been in a quandary as to what actions do not come under/within the Constitution. When one speaks as to such does it mean that any actions or laws by any of the three defined Federal branches are irrefutable by intent of the Founders? When/if a person takes the Constitution to be a formal declaration by It’s signers of the intentions of the Declaration of Independence, it seems to me that there is difficulties if not chicanery in giving all or any of the three ‘branches’ unrestricted societal authority and power. I realize that the Declaration of Independence speaks to ‘dissolving’ the powers that be. However is that where People such as Obama want to take this Nation?
Boner said the same thing when obamacare passed.
Wrong. Check the U.S. Code, under "organic laws."
Claiming that the Declaration is not part of our laws is like saying that the foundation is not part of a building.
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