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What Donald Trump Doesn’t Know about Hedge Funds: The reality and myths of taxing financial firms.
National Review ^ | 09/22/2015 | Kevin Williamson

Posted on 09/22/2015 6:26:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Rusty0604

Non-qualified stock options are taxed as ordinary income when exercised. They are taxed in the same manner as compensation.

The “carried interest” income that the hedge fund manager received effectively allows their compensation for managing the fund to taxed as a capital gain not as compensation for services.

Why should the hedge fund manager providing management services be taxed in the same manner as an attorney providing legal services to the fund?


81 posted on 09/22/2015 9:24:48 AM PDT by Friend of the Friendless (R-Illinois)
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To: ground_fog; hoosiermama

“national Review has become a GOPe hack outfit and I refuse to read anything from them. “

A bit basic, but DEAD on the money. I started reading NR in 1968 when I was 14. Great literary mag at that time. A POS rag today. I quit it years ago.


82 posted on 09/22/2015 9:26:48 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: maggief; All

“Rich Lowry began his career as a research assistant for Charles Krauthammer.”

LOL what a surprise this is!


83 posted on 09/22/2015 9:28:15 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: Friend of the Friendless

Incentive stock options are taxed at the long term capital gains rate if the options are sold after a year or more. Private equity firms benefit from the carried interest rules, so why should hedge fund managers be taxed differently?


84 posted on 09/22/2015 9:34:16 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: lodi90
Your petty insults are getting tiring. Why don’t you move on if you don’t like it here? Deal?

if it were really just petty - then you'd be able to refute it on substance instead of actually being petty yourself. I don't shy away from the truth, or a battle. Come at me with substance, or steer clear.

85 posted on 09/22/2015 9:35:21 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: Hawthorn

yeah, I think you jumped the “sarcasm shark” on that one....but I get your point.
:)


86 posted on 09/22/2015 9:35:21 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (WTF? How Karl Rove and the Establishment Lost...Again)
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To: Jane Long; hoosiermama; maggief

“National Review has become a GOPe hack outfit and I refuse to read anything from them. They have been outed...but to each his own

*******

The article may be spot on but NR is so pro-Jeb and anti-Trump that I also no longer trust their views. There was proof enough of that when Rich Lowry lambasted Trump on Megyn Kelly’s show last night. Watch out for this guy.”

What the faux intellectuals on this thread fail to understand is we don’t give a rat’s arse if this political hack is correct in this instance. There are plenty of credible writers to make this case and this RINO whore is not needed to make this case, or any other case. NR has lost all credibility as a conservative magazine.

Good post, Jane.


87 posted on 09/22/2015 9:37:29 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: Friend of the Friendless

” income that the hedge fund manager received effectively allows their compensation for managing the fund to taxed as a capital gain not as compensation for services.”

Not exactly.....If I were you I would try not to associate “carried interest” with Hedge funds...

It’s generally found in Private Equity management, where the manager essentially receives interest on his invested Capital as a performance reward of sorts...

I think that if you added up the entire universe of carried interest tax filings and taxed it a 39% as opposed to 20%, you would not generate enough money to make a decent spitwad in real terms.

The carried interest complaint came about when Romney, a person who deals in private equity, was running for president and it’s a bogus argument for the most part. Very small potatoes but the Dummycrats, will use anything they can.

No, the real issue, is the short term vs long term capital gains tax. The left says it’s unfair...Even Warren Buffet said that.

But there is a legitimate reason for it. it helps provide market stability and liquidity because it balances the market effects of long and short time securities traders..

Without it, there would be no real incentives to holding a security any longer than it takes to make a profit and that can be minutes or hours...depending..

Without it, everyone would be a day trader.


88 posted on 09/22/2015 10:11:04 AM PDT by Cold Heat (For Rent....call 1-555-tagline)
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To: Rusty0604

“And we don’t need to tax certain groups of people differently for long term investments just because they make more money doing it.”

Hedge fund managers do not deserve tax breaks others don’t get. Why do you defend them so. Are you a Democrat like the majority of them are, also?


89 posted on 09/22/2015 10:30:17 AM PDT by flaglady47 (TRUMP ROCKS)
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To: SeekAndFind

Fun watching the Trump drones shoot the messenger.

Again.


90 posted on 09/22/2015 10:31:21 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Donald Trump: Quality Conservatism Since 2015.")
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To: SeekAndFind
The thing about myths is, they’re myths.

Ever notice how many hedge fund managers play high stakes poker, you know $100,000 and up to $1,000,000 buy in?

Hedge funds are the GOP version of carbon credits.

91 posted on 09/22/2015 10:36:03 AM PDT by itsahoot (55 years a republican-Now Independent. Will write in Sarah Palin, no matter who runs. RIH-GOP)
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To: flaglady47

They don’t get tax breaks others don’t get. That is just populist rhetoric. Just like they tell people those evil rich oil companies are subsidized. They are not subsidized. If you think calling me a democrat proves your point that is laughable, and quite frankly I don’t understand your contempt for just hedge fund managers.


92 posted on 09/22/2015 10:47:17 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: lodi90
Your petty insults are getting tiring.

He laid one on me a few days back, this election cycle has made him manic.

93 posted on 09/22/2015 11:19:40 AM PDT by itsahoot (55 years a republican-Now Independent. Will write in Sarah Palin, no matter who runs. RIH-GOP)
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To: itsahoot

RE: Ever notice how many hedge fund managers play high stakes poker, you know $100,000 and up to $1,000,000 buy in?

So, is it the government’s job to put a stop to it via the tax code?

Should tax code to be used to punish certain behavior and reward certain others?

If so, when does it end and who’s to say what one’s favorite behavior should be rewarded and what one’s hated behavior should be punished?


94 posted on 09/22/2015 11:23:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (What is the difference between Obama and government bonds? Government bonds will mature someday)
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To: SeekAndFind
The tax code was written the way it was for a reason.

They always are and the usually involve corrupt congress critters.

95 posted on 09/22/2015 11:26:41 AM PDT by itsahoot (55 years a republican-Now Independent. Will write in Sarah Palin, no matter who runs. RIH-GOP)
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To: Rusty0604

It’s not hurling insults. More like hurling facts. You haven’t educated yourself on Trump’s plan by reading his book, therefore, you are making assumptions and there isn’t any real issue to argue with you. Therefore, pointing out your ignorance is just stating a fact.

Soon enough, his tax plan will be officially unveiled and you will probably find it harder to go around half cocked getting all worked up over something you don’t understand. I wonder if you’ll still try anyway...


96 posted on 09/22/2015 11:42:50 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: SeekAndFind
I think the attempt is to show that Trump’s tax policy ( at least when it comes to the very wealthy ) is quite similar to Hillary and Sanders, which is to add more “fairness” to the code.

Which, when done by someone who has nary a clue what Trump's tax policy would be, is absolutely worthless. And when Trump's ideas on such policies are clearly written down in Time To Get Tough, it's really irresponsible of Mr. Williamson to remain so ignorant.

97 posted on 09/22/2015 12:01:09 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: itsahoot
One wonders why none of these hand-wringers bothers to actually read what Trump thinks about things. It's really easy to do. I read Time To Get Tough in a couple hours. It takes about 5 minutes to read the tax part.

It seems to me that THEY are the ones hurling insults because they are unable to make a cogent argument. Particularly Sir Edmund.

98 posted on 09/22/2015 12:05:11 PM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm
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To: Rusty0604

Don’t like them much as a breed of gamblers. Are you a hedge fund manager; is that why you defend them so?


99 posted on 09/22/2015 12:06:09 PM PDT by flaglady47 (TRUMP ROCKS)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
>> Fun watching the Trump drones shoot the messenger <<

Any party to an argument who relies on ad hominem insults, as opposed to facts and logic, is giving you proof upfront that he has lost the argument.

100 posted on 09/22/2015 1:12:22 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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