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Gore Vidal: The Man and the Writer [Remember when Bill Buckley Called Him "Queer" On National TV?]
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| 08/29/2015
| Ron Capshaw
Posted on 08/29/2015 6:58:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
08/29/2015 7:51:36 AM PDT
by
davisfh
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
08/29/2015 7:52:01 AM PDT
by
davisfh
To: miss marmelstein
RE: A great novelist and a great essayist.
Yep, but a mediocre logician.
Buckley wins debates on the merits. Gore simply emotes.
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posted on
08/29/2015 7:52:52 AM PDT
by
SeekAndFind
(What is the difference between Obama and government bonds? Government bonds will mature someday)
To: SeekAndFind
I only look at the work. I couldn’t care less about the personalities.
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posted on
08/29/2015 7:54:20 AM PDT
by
miss marmelstein
(Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
To: miss marmelstein
I look at his politics as well.
Vidal is not very wise in the causes he champions.
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posted on
08/29/2015 7:56:02 AM PDT
by
SeekAndFind
(What is the difference between Obama and government bonds? Government bonds will mature someday)
To: Mikey_1962
“The Gore is the same Gore as Al Gore as they are family”
Uhm, you do realize Gore is his first name and actually a nick name (Eugene Louis Vidal). No relationship to the Gores of Tennessee.
I did just learn this: “his maternal grandfather, Thomas Pryor Gore, served as United States Senator from Oklahoma (190721 and 193137).” Sen. Gore was blind from childhood.
To: SeekAndFind
Vidal had the epiphany that America was a fascist security state. He claimed that the militaryindustrial complex had kicked into high gear during the presidency of Harry Truman, whose Cold War containment policies he saw as part of an effort to bolster the economy by maintaining a permanent state of war. Vidal would cling to this worldview no matter the counter-evidence. Like Oliver Stone, Vidal would argue that the very lack of proof of a militaryindustrial cabal was evidence enough of its existence and its control over American lives. Vidal viewed every unpredictable event through this prism. The Soviets invasion of Afghanistan was the result of the American militaryindustrial complexs goading them into this venture in order to bleed them dry and, by doing so, remove them from the running for the militaryindustrial-complex sweepstakes. Vidal believed that these maneuverings, not ordinary peoples desire for freedom, led to the Soviet Unions collapse. Gore Vidal may have been many things, a despicable man and wrong on many things but, how was he not correct about this? We are in a permanent state of war, the NSA is spying on us all at any time, really at all times. The military has been purged of dissenting voices and experience at winning strategy to prolong conflicts without victory. Guns and bandages, that is the largest export of America. Without those what would our GDP look like? We are "The Lords of War".
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posted on
08/29/2015 9:02:02 AM PDT
by
Glad2bnuts
(If God himself said every 50 years debt should be erased, and land returned, who am I to disagree?)
To: SamuraiScot
Newman you self-righteous dork
To: SeekAndFind
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posted on
08/29/2015 9:32:41 AM PDT
by
Arm_Bears
(Biology is biology. Everything else is imagination.)
To: SamuraiScot
He was in “film”.... he knew that, and he was on their political side using “personal” as a cover. Same ole hollyweird shiite. Can’t do it now, though. Queer is heer, and now they marry— it ain’t personal, it’s political as in... getting a marriage license is part of what politics decides— that is, who is to issue the license, under what political office and control and for what tax or fee basis for the application to be paid to state funds. It’s political as hell now.
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posted on
08/29/2015 10:34:50 AM PDT
by
John S Mosby
(Sic Semper Tyrannis)
To: Politicalkiddo
Buckley was indeed charming. Vidal was a queer, and still is, and a midget in intellect compared to Buckley. Verbally and otherwise.
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posted on
08/29/2015 10:35:57 AM PDT
by
John S Mosby
(Sic Semper Tyrannis)
To: miss marmelstein
Unsurpassed? Hardly. And now he’s an old queen, lonely angry and abnormal.
Lincoln and Burr were, frankly awful. Can’t argue taste, as any theatre person will attest. What you can argue is prose and factual points of contention, and agenda.
Would that the real actors in these “texts” were still alive to refute the queer crap.
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posted on
08/29/2015 10:40:08 AM PDT
by
John S Mosby
(Sic Semper Tyrannis)
To: miss marmelstein
Correction, dead old queen. He being so unimportant, in view of obamaumao and the continuing leftist queer porn marxists running things... totally forgot he croaked. Good riddance.
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posted on
08/29/2015 10:42:18 AM PDT
by
John S Mosby
(Sic Semper Tyrannis)
To: SeekAndFind
That exchange shows nothing but a couple of guys at the end of their ropes. We've all been there.
What IS important, however, is that there once was a weekly TV show in our country where two individuals sat and discussed important issues over the course of 60 or 90 minutes. Buckley's contribution to this puts us eternally in his debt. Would that this concept would be, or could be, brought back. But alas, the hyper-focus on a 30 second name-calling exchange generating so much attention illustrates the demise of a cerebral culture with an attention span, and the rise of one unbridled with neither the interest nor the requisite habit of self-control to engage in one topic for an extended period.
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posted on
08/29/2015 10:49:16 AM PDT
by
jobim
To: John S Mosby
I don’t even know what you’re talking about. There is nothing “queer” about the two novels I cited. They are masterful.
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posted on
08/29/2015 10:54:07 AM PDT
by
miss marmelstein
(Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
To: Steven Scharf
Gore Vidal is indeed a relative of Al Gore. Vidal throughout his life claimed he was an Oklahoman sometimes, a Southern gentlemen sometimes and acted like a Boston Brahmin all the time. In fact, when Al Gore was running for Veep, many people sought out Vidal’s opinion on his cousin (I forget the exact relation). His opinion was not good as I recall.
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posted on
08/29/2015 10:57:45 AM PDT
by
miss marmelstein
(Richard the Third: I'd like to drive away not only the Turks (moslims) but all my foes.")
To: Arm_Bears
RE: Wikipedia?
Seriously?
_______________________
I’m not one to dismiss everything written in Wikipedia, especially when the quote is adequately sourced. In this case it is:
Gore Vidal (September 1969). “A Distasteful Encounter with William F. Buckley Jr.”. Esquire. p. 140.
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posted on
08/29/2015 5:10:56 PM PDT
by
SeekAndFind
(What is the difference between Obama and government bonds? Government bonds will mature someday)
To: John S Mosby
RE: And now hes an old queen, lonely angry and abnormal.
Gore Vidal is dead.
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posted on
08/29/2015 5:12:18 PM PDT
by
SeekAndFind
(What is the difference between Obama and government bonds? Government bonds will mature someday)
To: miss marmelstein
“Empire” and “Hollywood” are also excellent.
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posted on
08/29/2015 5:13:37 PM PDT
by
MUDDOG
To: Lisbon1940
He was habitually a seducer of young boys and turned many of them into homosexuals. Oddly enough, this is what turned the Kennedy clan off about him despite his being related to Jackie.
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posted on
08/29/2015 5:20:23 PM PDT
by
AmericanVictory
(Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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